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Thank you all so much for the help!! It has clarified a few things for me. I was making the mistake of stacking his stealth + Invisibility without making him take extra action to do so. It had become an ongoing argument and I like to keep the game moving.

The other 3 party members have been taking the extra attacks, as some of you have pointed out, it's useless to waste actions to seek and/or depend on a flat check vs hidden. This particular player is optimized far beyond his fellow party members and constantly mocks me (but not them) about how weak/easy fights are. I now have a much more thorough understanding of the stealth and hidden rules and will have a discussion with him before the session next week.

Thank you all again! We still have two books to go in the AP so the info will definitely go to good use for a while :)


Hello all!
I am Gming an Age of Ashes game in which the players have just hit level 16. This particular player has been above the curve for a while now, but I am unsure of how to challenge him within the rules. Any and all advice is appreciated!!!

He is a level 16 rogue with:
Legendary Sneak
Foil Senses
Cloak of Elvenkind (greater)
Boots of Elvenkind

He is exclusively melee. Usually he begins combat un noticed and attacks with his weapon. At that point, he should become hidden? Then he will use his cloak and adds the greater invisibility condition to himself for 10 minutes. Between the "always sneaking" and invisibility, I don't see a way to target him aside from a big AoE attack.

Would monsters using the "seek" action be able to target? If so, would he be concealed, hidden, or observed upon a success? The multiple layers and redundancy of these conditions are confusing to me. Again any advice on how to challenge him is appreciated. Thank you all in advance!


Hello all. My PCs are about to encounter Ilssrah Embermead next session. I added the flavor of one of them being kidnapped and having his village torched by her and goons. So I expect him (unarmed fighter type) to fully charge in at her regardless of circumstances.

There is one character in particular that is giving me a hard time of challenging. He is a rogue with foil senses, is always sneaky, and can turn invisible via an item. True seeing should allow her to ignore his invisibility, but am I doomed to use her actions to seek him due to the always stealthy ability? (Legendary sneak)

How can I make her feel like a significant threat? She will have heroism on her since they made an absolute ton of noise in the floor above and she is expecting them. There are four characters in the parry and they have hit level 15 due to some additional exploration they've done along the way. Thank you!


Thank you all for the replies. Barushak did escape them last week and I was initially thinking of having him hire some muscle and ambushing them at Whiterock, but im going to trust that they can deal with him at the mine now. I love the watery escape idea :)


Good day everyone. My PCs are going to Tanessen tower and will likely encounter Barushak this week. They did defeat the gelugon after a well timed natural 1 save vs paralyze..so they're feeling a bit tough at the moment.

My question is: has anyone had Barushak escape and actually join Laslunn at the mine? Her, plus the velstrac and trap already seems like a pretty challenging encounter. Adding him to the mix seems (on paper) to be overkill. But this seems in line with the intent of the AP, and what he would likely do given the situation.

For reference, we have a fighter, rogue, psychic, and witch and are not using remastered rules.