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Yes, this is open to debate (very lenthy and tedious debate lol) so you would again have to ask your GM what thier position is on the matter.

The problem is that the FAQ uses very ambugious language to clarify when you count as your own ally, and by doing so solves nothing.

In order to not delay your thread I will stop there!

There is always the other alternitive of Dazzling Display, Shatter Defences, but that takes an inital full round action in order to have your foes flatfooted the next round.

The main problem is that it is hard to get your sneak attack off after the first round without a major investment in feats. (which is why I allow the Gang-Up to work with 2 allys instead of three in my games, but that is personal)

I have looked at feint quite a bit myself and it seems like a bit of a trap. Just too many feats to get to the point that it is useful, and even then you have to give up an attack

1. Improved Two weapon feint current does not list Two-Weapon Feint as a prerequisite, but probably should (not RAW of course, but you may want to check with your GM to see what they think), and on top of that it requires you to forgo your Primary attack.

Personally I went with Gang Up.

Remember that you count as your own ally, so you only need to have 1 other ally attacking your target in order to get the flank.

So before I wade into the discussion, quick question. Are you set on your including Two Weapon Feint, or are you doing it to get your Sneak attack?

Our regular gaming group got to talking about the power levels between PC's and NPCs, and how much it must suck for a emerging wizard, fighter or any other class to get started. Spells in general require quite alot of work if you think about someone not having gold for the spell component pouch and a book to record spells in.

Imagine how much more valuble your first level 1 spell would be to your character if it was written on a scrape of wood for the first year till you could scrape up enough money to buy a real spellbook? Or having to learn to steal by actually lifting a coin purse with a real chance of being caught, because it was your first time trying it.

So, with their blessing I have started the group off on thier adventures as level 0. Our group consists of..

Human Bum: A year ago entered this plane of exsistance with no knowlage of who he was, or how he got here, total amniesa. Planed character progression Sorcerer.

Half-Orc Farmer: Lives on the outskirts of a town, came into the city to sell his surplus crop. planned character progression Fighter/Brawler or Monk

Goblin: lives on the fringes of society in the sewer, probably going to be the first to die as he is playing as true to goblin as possible. Planned character progression: Knife Master Rogue

Doll Construct: Yes, I know, but the story is sound and the player is not a powergamer, so I have allowed it. Planned character progression: Sorcerer.

NPCs: Princess, and bodyguard, Story hook and a way to throw enemys at them that would one shot the party.

So long story short. The first two sessions are over, the party has made it to the woods away from the goblin forces that are attempting to track them down. Ultimate goal, get the princess to safety whatever that is, that allows her to time to plan to retake her kingdom and to allow the PC's the option to join her forces (if they want# and to advance in PC levels #plan to start back up at level 5)

So, has anyone run a level zero game, how did you deal with CR, and what modifications were made to the system to capture the feel of the PC's lack of experence?

Just to clarify, since the SH has no movement or speed noted, and it is incorporial, cant you just extend the hand though the floor and then touch the target on the foot?

Or take the round about approach and curve up and around all threat areas till you get to your intended target? Granted this would still leave the possiblity of an AoO from the target itself if the GM wanted to rule in this manner, but should solve most other conflicts.

also it would make for quite a line of travel in some situations, like one of those old Family Circus cartoons!