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For me, I'm waiting until after GenCon to make a decision about whether to cancel my subscriptions, but I'm heavily inclined toward it seeing Jeff's utterly misreable response. I'll support Paizo's creators by supporting their patreons, buying their third party products, and sending work opportunities their way when I can; I only have Paizo subscriptions to support the company, I can always buy products elsewhere for cheaper if I really want them. Paizo needs my loyalty, but subscribers don't need their subscriptions with all the other cheaper options out there and Jeff should remember that when next addressing this.


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YawarFiesta wrote:

Innocent until proven guilty.

Humbly,
Yawar

Because adults understand what context is; for instance, must people living in reality understand that the accusations being leveled against Paizo's management for a pattern of employee abuse that has been prevalent throughout all of recorded history, and that this industry has a long history of this type of toxic management and exploitation of employees for as long as having had existed. You're statement is the same as criticizing outdoor for saying the sun will rise in the morning because they can't know that for certain. You can't possibly be naive enough to take those in the position of power at their word while dismissing those claiming to be victimized by them when they are actually providing corroborating evidence, so why are you making this bad faith argument? Do you think Jeffrey Epstein was innocent too since he signed an illegal plea deal that have him legal immunity?


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Thank you for posting!
My IG campaign has gone a similar route, and I am currently prepping for the siege of Starfall. Due to some personal plot points for the players though, things have gone much bigger than I expected.

In my campaign, the Technic League wiped out the Ghost Wolf tribe as retaliation against the group and Kellid Android Warpriest of Gorum. The Technic League set a trap for the group at the Ghost Wolve's remains, surrounding the group and a number of Kellid chieftains with 3000 troops. The warpriest of Gorum called on him to lend her the power of her people . . . and he responded. The warpriest became the avatar of rage, and the party wiped out all 3000 troops. Then word began to spread, because omens of Gorum occurred all over Golarion.

Now, the group is marshalling an army made up of Kellid's from across the north, as well as some orc tribes. The Technic League has responded by cutting deals with the Witches of Gyronna in the River Kingdoms (trying to sway the Tiger Lord tribe to their side in the process), the demons of the Worldwound, and now is even Dominion of the Black technology to infect the common folk of Starfall and turn them all in war abominations. All told, the Technic League is going to have an army of more than 100,000 with many being robots, demons and abominations, while the party and the Kellids are going to top 200,000 if not more easily. At that scale I'm struggling with whether it's even worth it to stat out the forces, or if a better move would be to design certain key encounters or decisions that tip the flow of the battle one way or another.


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In my campaign I've decided Aroden is trapped in Stethelos, held outside of time, hence his "death" and the Gap with it's fragmented timeline in Starfinder. The party in my Iron Gods campaign will discover that's what happened, and then when we switch to Starfinder they'll be trying to find him and free him (one of the Pathfinder characters got immortality from rolling on the Numerian Fluids chart, so she'll be the questgiver/Maz Kanata type character in Starfinder).


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Yay! Now to read and nitpick:D


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I know it's minor, but change the Order of the Sword challenge ability to a competence bonus, so it can stack with the vengeance oath.


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James Jacobs wrote:

War trained is actually detailed in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook under the description of "Handle Animal," on page 98. Of course, there it's called "Combat Training." It's one of the "general purpose" trainings you can give an animal. As detailed on page 177 of the Bestiary, horses in particular gain a special benefit once they're combat trained—their hooves are from that point treated as primary weapons, not secondary ones.

In any case, once the Cavalier goes to print, the language in the class about "war trained" will be cleaned up.

Does war trained give any armor proficiencies? As that is what is implied by the Animal Type entry in the bestiary. Also, it seems kind of silly to have war-trained as the ability gained for horse companions at 4th level, since there's no reason that a 1st level character wouldn't train their companion right away, if not start with them trained for combat already. And if for some reason a cavalier (or other class with an animal companion) didn't train their mount for combat with handle animal, it seems strange that their mount would suddenly develop this training at 4th level. Also, if war trained is just the "combat training" under handle animal, that means that at 4th level the horse companion loses all of it's previously learned tricks and has them all replaced by the "combat training" trick set. Obviously this is not the intent, but I think it's worth errata-ing since their are three core classes in the core book that potentially have to deal with this (the paladin in particular) and which by the book are looking at an ability that either doesn't exist, or one that is not only pointless when gained (and for an animal companion to start without) but is actually detrimental.


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DragonBringerX wrote:

well...thats what i figured. thanx.

i just don't know why they listed it in the core rulebook as such.

Well, there's more to it than that unfortunately, as I just ran into the same thing. Under the description of the "Animal" type in Appendix 2 of the Bestiary, it say "Proficient with no armor unless trained for war". So that implies that War Trained confers some kind of armor proficiency at the very least.