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I have read about stealth and combat and it seems a bit vague to me.

Define concealment? Edge of the room? etc..

If we are in combat in large room in the middle let's say. The rogue sneaks up behind the guy but doesn't make it there in one turn. Is he considered out of stealth? Also, if he DOES make it in one turn would he be out of stealth? Room well lit or a dark room variable..

I know he can move in and get flank, I am just saying in general for now.

Most rooms you fight in do not have much concealment.. just tables etc.

I do realize that stealth is not for combat. I just want the rules if you can post them and the interpretation of them.


I have a DM that says if you bring your familiar out I will kill it.

That being said, I am leaning toward no longer playing the game. It is creating an argument and a situation where I feel like this is becoming house rules. I agree with some rules being bent but this is outright telling you that you cannot use your abilities that you have.

His reasoning behind this is because it is a sorcerer and it is not a battle familiar and he thinks the character should not be able to use the familiar to its fullest potential in this regard. So it seems he wants to target it dead unfairly.

Here is the argument we are having and I would like a specific answer if possible.

With a "small" familiar you can get a flank bonus if it has the ability to threaten another square.

He says if it does not have the creatures "attention" as in not attacking then you may not gain the flank bonus.

Is this true?

Another question is if you or your familiar stealth behind someone with weapons "drawn" and are directly behind someone can you get a flank bonus when not attacking?

Next he says if your familiar is behind the target I am going to turn and attack that. This makes no sense to me.. If it is behind you only providing a flank and the real threat is the half orc smashing your face in are you seriously going to turn and randomly attack a small familiar? I find this extremely unlikely.

I am not trying to be a rule enforcer but this is silly..


I have a DM that says if you bring your familiar out I will kill it.

That being said, I am leaning toward no longer playing the game. It is creating an argument and a situation where I feel like this is becoming house rules. I agree with some rules being bent but this is outright telling you that you cannot use your abilities that you have.

His reasoning behind this is because it is a sorcerer and it is not a battle familiar and he thinks the character should not be able to use the familiar to its fullest potential in this regard. So it seems he wants to target it dead unfairly.

Here is the argument we are having and I would like a specific answer if possible.

With a "small" familiar you can get a flank bonus if it has the ability to threaten another square.

He says if it does not have the creatures "attention" as in not attacking then you may not gain the flank bonus.

Is this true?

Another question is if you or your familiar stealth behind someone with weapons "drawn" and are directly behind someone can you get a flank bonus when not attacking?

Next he says if your familiar is behind the target I am going to turn and attack that. This makes no sense to me.. If it is behind you only providing a flank and the real threat is the half orc smashing your face in are you seriously going to turn and randomly attack a small familiar? I find this extremely unlikely.