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I feel like this could potentially lead to some unfun moments for players.

Let's say a level 15 character uses Scare to Death (a feat with the death effect) on the same level 1 daemon. RAW, nothing happens. The kicker here is that the daemon is immune to this feat, and does not become frightened at all, regardless of rolls.

Personally, I may use a house rule so that daemons are just immune to the insta-kill part of spells, feats, etc, instead of the entire ability. For example, the daemon could still be frightened, but could not be killed outright by this feat. Thoughts?

"Unfun" RAW Example:

Level 15 player attempts Scare to Death on a level 1 daemon. Nothing happens, even with a nat 20.

Same level 15 player attempts Demoralize on the same daemon, rolls an average roll (say a 10). The monster is now frightened 2.

This just seems really weird to me.

I feel like this could potentially lead to some unfun moments for players.

Let's say a level 15 character uses Scare to Death (a feat with the death effect) on the same level 1 daemon. RAW, nothing happens. The kicker here is that the daemon is immune to this feat, and does not become frightened at all, regardless of rolls.

Personally, I may use a house rule so that daemons are just immune to the insta-kill part of spells, feats, etc, instead of the entire ability. For example, the daemon could still be frightened, but could not be killed outright by this feat. Thoughts?

Several monsters, such as daemons, are immune to death effects. The section on immunity in the CRB states that:
"If you have immunity to effects with a certain trait (such as death effects, poison, or disease) you are unaffected by any effect with that trait".

How I understand things:
- Any effect with the "Death" trait is a "death effect"
- If you're immune to death effects, and someone casts a spell on you that has the death trait, you are completely unaffected by the spell

The second point above is what confuses me. Let's say a 12th-level spellcaster casts a 6th level Phantasmal Killer spell on a Cacodaemon (Harvester Daemon).
- Phantasmal Killer has the Death trait
- This level 1 monster is immune to death effects

So does the spell have zero effect? Or does the spell play out as normal, only the daemon cannot be killed by the insta-death if it critically fails its Will and Fortitude saves? What if the resulting damage from failing those two saves is enough to kill the daemon in a single blow?

Any help would be appreciated.

Nope! Dragon Disciple has the Uncommon tag, which Access allows characters to ignore. Any character can have DD with GM permission, like any other uncommon feat.

Alright - thank you both, this has cleared up my confusion.

Chumbles wrote:

Hello,

Long-time player, first-time poster & GM here.

The Dragon Disciple archetype requires that "you are a kobold with the dragonscaled or spellscaled heritage, a dragon instinct barbarian, or a draconic bloodline sorcerer" to access it. Does anyone know if it is intended for a character to stick to a common dragon type when selecting this archetype?

For example, if a black-scaled kobold took the Dragon Disciple dedication feat, would they need to select "black dragon"? Or could they choose whatever dragon type they like, essentially becoming two different types of dragon (one black, and one their second selection)?

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks

It does not "require" any of those things, they just give you better avenues of access. As to the other question, I don't see anything linking your choice for DD to anything else except for the sorcerer's bloodline.

The description says

Hello,

Long-time player, first-time poster & GM here.

The Dragon Disciple archetype requires that "you are a kobold with the dragonscaled or spellscaled heritage, a dragon instinct barbarian, or a draconic bloodline sorcerer" to access it. Does anyone know if it is intended for a character to stick to a common dragon type when selecting this archetype?

For example, if a black-scaled kobold took the Dragon Disciple dedication feat, would they need to select "black dragon"? Or could they choose whatever dragon type they like, essentially becoming two different types of dragon (one black, and one their second selection)?

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks

Hello,

Long-time player, first-time poster & GM here.

The Dragon Disciple archetype requires that "you are a kobold with the dragonscaled or spellscaled heritage, a dragon instinct barbarian, or a draconic bloodline sorcerer" to access it. Does anyone know if it is intended for a character to stick to a common dragon type when selecting this archetype?

For example, if a black-scaled kobold took the Dragon Disciple dedication feat, would they need to select "black dragon"? Or could they choose whatever dragon type they like, essentially becoming two different types of dragon (one black, and one their second selection)?

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks