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blackbloodtroll wrote:

The target is one Eidolion, not "your" Eidolion.

It does target the Eidolon. That's really weird considering you have to have line of effect to your target. This spell doesn't actually work!

Alright, so the spell targets "one Eidolon" but summons "your eidolon".

Now that I have posed the problem, I wish to submit what MY understanding of the rules:

So the summoner is the creature, the eidolon is basically only a modification to the summoner, and has ONLY the effects listed.

The summoner's stats are modified and this counts as temporary modifier, thus the summoner's original con is used to calculate hit points, the summoner gets evolutions, not size, not base move speed (the "limbs, legs" still grant additional movement), and does get the effects of items, and because anything that effects either the summoner or the eidolon effects both, any enhancements to stats or move speed effect both modified and original stats. The summoner can still hold items and attack with his/her normal limbs, and can still use other abilities.

If using natural attacks granted by evolutions, the summoner is limited to the eidolon's maximum naumber of natural attacks, but natural attacks granted by other means are not limited in this way. If the summoner uses natural attacks granted by evolutions, the summoner cannot use any other attacks he/she has access to in that round.

The armor question, as it is written, does not appear to prevent the summoner from wearing armor, but would of course still cause spell failure as normal. I would not be surprised if the developers intended you to not be able to wear armor while the eidolon is summoned however.

How this would interact with polymorph is a bit tricky, but I would suspect that the abilities modified by the eidolon would be modified again by polymorph. Hoever, because the polymorph is effecting eidolon also, the summoner would lose evolutions which are physical, because the shape of the entire body, summoner and eidolon, becomes that of whatever is transformed into.

Let me know if this seems like how it is supposed to work, thoughts, etc.

Right, so I was thinking, hey, the synthesist summoner seems cool, maybe I will make one. The can do melee combat and cast spells, well rounded, powerful, who wouldn't want one in their party!

My hope was that This would be a class that can sort of do everything if built right, but isn't so spectacular that it's going to steal the thunder from the more specialized characters by doing everything while the entire rest of the party watches.

Alright, let me read the rule on this synthesist guy. Summoner and Eidolon are one creature, alright...take one set of actions, cool, spells effect them as one and worst type is used...

WAIT I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS! Oh well, go to messageboards and see what the answers are. NO ONE FRIGGIN' AGREES! IT WOULD TAKE 5 YEARS OF RESEARCH TO FIND EVERYTHING I NEED! Awesome Paizo, way to leave us all hanging and make a class so incomprehensible that you can't play it without researching it for half your life first. Common, this is supposed to be a game, not a career!

So this probably isn't the best place for this but where the heck are the developers?! Can you guys clear this up a bit please.

Right, so there are a lot of things are different between the two creatures now merged into one besides stats. Which one takes precedence?

Lets make a little list of differences that are unclear about what takes precedence:
1) movement speed
2) limbs available for non-attack actions
3) special abilities like poly-morphing
3) the "no armor on eidolons" rule, if the summoner wears the armor, and they are one creature, does that mean the eidolon is also wearing it, which is prohibited?
4) are the summoner's hit points calculated based on weather or not the eidolon is present, changing the con score, or the original con score?
5) how are things that change ability scores applied to the fused summoner? Are they applied to modified (by the eidolon) ability scores, or are they applied to the original summoner's base stats and then supressed by the eidolon's presence?

There are more questions that WILL arise, is there a rule of thumb?

Ugh.

I feel for you shodow lodge guy. I am much the opposite, I am relatively even keeled, my temper almost never gets the better of me, I am in control when others are loosing control. It's not that I don't get angry, I do, but maybe I distance myself from the situation well or something. Anyway, I find that looking at the big picture is helpful. When a problem arises, don't think only "how can I salve this problem" think also "how can these kinds of problems be addressed." It's long term/big picture.

Dude: alright, lets try and sneak over there
Trolol: okay
*Trolol rolls a 12 and get's a 19 sneak*
*Dude rolls a 9 and gets a 22 sneak*
Trolol: Hey stupid baddies, you're stupid!
Dude: I guess...we're not sneaking now, thanks for waiting for me to be in a very dangerous place to alert them.

So, Trolol can intentionally be disruptive without doing PVP. He could also disrupt in ways that appear to be legitimate, for example running from combat when his friends need him most, being a level 7 wizard who only casts 0 level spells in combat, having prepared "tech" spells in all higher spell slots...pushing bad guys into places where their tresure cannot be retrieved! In a party of 4 you need every warm body there is to be trying their hardest, someone like this is not tollerable, but someone with good IRL Cha bluffing real hard out of character could convince players and GM that it was a mistake, or they didn't realize the spells they prepared today would be bad.

In this case, talk to other players, note the establishment of a pattern, TEST IT! by seeing if it holds true. If so, said player is uninvited to all future events. Some people like to troll. that's fine, but they should do it on 4chan, not in PFS.