Lunever wrote:
I asked Skip Williams whether the original intention was to have woodland stride as the class feature requirement for the arcane hierophant instead of trackless step, so rangers can qualify as the descriptive text strongly suggest, and he said:
"Woodland Stride is certainly what I *meant* to write, Not sure how Tarckless Step got in there instead."
Very interesting.
I've had my own communication about the AH back in 2005. I don't think you can find it anymore on the WotC boards, even though I did post it there several times, for example in the 3.5 errata thread.
I can still post it here for your convenience, even though the links no longer work:
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Errata ?. Wildshape for the Arcane Hierophant.
Type. - Discrepancy and Unclear
Reference(s) - page 108 of the Races of the Wild
Wild shape(Su) If you do not already possess the ability, you gain no new ability to wildshape. However, you add your arcane hierophant level to your druid level and gain the wild shape ability of a druid of the resulting level. For example, a character who is a 3rd-level wizard/3rd-level druid/4th level arcane hierophant has the wildshape ability of a 7th-level druid. If you are not a druid, (for example, if you entered the class as a wizard/ranger), you do not gain the ability to wildshape.
Explanation. It is very unclear under what circumstances an Arcane Hierophant has wildshape.
The fact that neither of the examples (wiz3/drd3 and wizard/ranger) can qualify for Arcane Hierophant and must be invalid doesn't help.
I could quote from the many discussions about this subject to show that this is unclear to many people, but will only post some links, although I know the links will not be around forever, and and quote my correspondence with Customer Support as it is obviously unclear for them(edited for bervity).
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=483513
http://www.codemonkeypublishing.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewto pic&p=87225#87225
This is my correspondence with Customer Service (see some additional edits at the bottom):
Reference# 050815-000323
Subject: Does a Druid4/Wizard3/Arcane Hierophant1 have Wildshape? (page 108 Races of t...
Does a Druid4/Wizard3/Arcane Hierophant1 have Wildshape?
(page 108 Races of the Wild)
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Response (Trevor K.) 08/15/2005 04:06 PM
Hey there Adrian. A 4th level druid does not have the wildshape ability and a Arcane Hierophant only grants a continuation of the ability if the character already has it, so no, this character in question would not have Wildshape. You would need one more level of druid to gain the wildshape ability. Have fun and good gaming!
Trevor K.
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Customer (Adriaan Renting) 08/16/2005 01:09 AM
1) I have the additional question of how to interpret the two examples given. These seem to indicate differently and have been the main focus of all discussions:
A) On page 108:
3rd-level Druid/3rd level Wizard/4th level Arcane Hierophant with the Wildshape ability of a 7th level Druid.(In the description of the Wildshape ability)
B) On page 112:
4th level Druid/3rd level Wizard/4th level Arcane Hierophant with Wildshape (8 hours/Large). (The Eldred example NPC)
2) Can you confirm there will be an errata on Races of the Wild that corrects these examples? How should the correct version read?
3) How should I interpret your answer from 050329-000154 that a Druid3/Wizard4/ArcaneHierophant2 qualifies for Master of Many Forms from Complete Adventturer, which requires the Wildshape feat?
Can you confirm this answer is invalid?
Thank you for your time.
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Response (Trevor K.) 08/16/2005 09:20 AM
Sorry about that Adrian. I was a bit confused over the entry. If you have levels in druid, then it is possible to gain the wildshape ability by taking Arcane Heirophant levels. So the character in question would be able to wildshape as 7th level druid would. The Example is correct though the first line in the wild shape ability of the Arcane Hierophant is misleading. With this in mind, both examples are correct. Sorry for the confusion. Good gaming!
Trevor K.
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Customer (Adriaan Renting) 08/16/2005 12:51 PM
Your answer is very confusing to me:
1) What character do you mean by "the character in question"?
- Druid4/Wizard3/Arcane Hierophant1 from my original question
- 3rd-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th level AH from Wildshape on page 108
- The example NPC Edrec on page 112
It seems likely that you refer to the second because you say "7th level druid", but brings me to my second point.
2) You say "The Example is correct". I think you mean the example in the Wildshape description, but this can not be correct as a 3rd-level druid/3rd-level wizard can never qualify for Arcane Hierophant (BAB req.)
3) I am now totally lost as to my original question:
Does a Druid4/Wizard3/Arcane Hierophant1 have Wildshape?
Can you answer my original question again?
4) Last but not least: Can you confirm or deny that there will be an errata for Races of the Wild that clarifies this, as asking any customer service representative (Trevor K, Sam S, Chris) seems more like a lottery (no offense, the trouble is the "misleading" text itself).
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Response (Trevor K.) 08/16/2005 02:20 PM
Alright Adriaan. I apologize again. Let me see if I can make this as clear as possible.
1. The Druid 4/Wizard 3/Arcane Heirophant 4 on page 112 is done and shown correctly. He will get the wildshape ability as if he were an 8th level druid.
2. The druid in the wildshape example does not actually qualify for the prestige class, you are correct. I was just using the levels provided to show that if he did actually qualify for the prestige class, he would have the wildshape of a 7th level druid.
3. The Druid in YOUR example, Druid 4/Wizard 3/Heirophant 1, would have the wildshape ability of a 5th level druid.
4. These answers are final and definite. I have checked with the dev teams just to appease you. I apologize for any confusion my misunderstanding my have caused you throughout these questions. While an errata for Races of the Wild may be hit the website at some point in the future, we do not have a definite date or any specific information about what it will cover. Good gaming.
Trevor K.
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Edited for additional responses from Customer Service.
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Edited again to add answer from Rich Redman.
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Code monkey Publishing: Ok folks, we got the official answer.
Rich Redman, Assistant Licensing and Brand Manager for the D&D line for WotC (read #2 in charge of D&D) told us that if you do not have enough levels in the Druid class to have the Wildshape ability, you do NOT get it until you do, regardless of how many Arcane Heirophant levels you have.
Thanks for the patience while we worked on getting the question answered.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=491119
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I asked Customer Service to confirm this:
Could you confirm that indeed a Druid4/Wiz3/ArcaneHierophant1 does not have wildshape? Currently it is very confusing to me, and even the dev team you talked to seems to be.
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I got this answer:
I have again walked over to R&D to make sure we were right on this one. I spoke to Jesse Decker and Andy Collins, the two people I usually go to with problems, and they agreed with me on this. While Rich is a very smart guy, the answer I am giving you comes directly from the developers. If you are a druid, but do not yet have the wildshape class ability, you do gain the wildshape ability if your druid levels and your arcane heirophant levels add up to 5 or greater. You would then have the wildshape ability as if you were a druid of that level. Good gaming!
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The only thing that is realy clear to me, it that this realy needs an Errata.
