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The damage from falling objects is pretty minimal in PF. We need other properties to make your shadow conjuration'd food dangerous.

You could probably replicate grease, but then you could just cast grease. The food is 'highly nourishing, if rather bland.' so we probably can't create 45 pounds of chilies, or rotten shark, or whatever. What's the most flammable bland-tasting food you can think of?

Probably some dessert with a lot of alcohol in it. One of those traditional English Chistmas puddings springs to mind.

Probly_Poblano wrote:

I quickly realized that it's not possible, but for the sake of humor let's assume that there is some combination of feats, metamagic, and assorted class abilities that it's entirely possible to cast a spell with a ten minute catsing time in one combat round.

Well...

...or maybe...

Well yes, most things are possible with wish.

An idea by way of a Mr. Johnson:

Animate objects to make the coconut a creature. This means you can then use the Implant Bomb feat on the coconut to store an arbitrarily high number of damage dice given enough time. Reduce the animated coconut to 0 hp in vicinity of what you want to devastate.

So the animated coconut takes 3d6 falling damage, and assuming that that's enough damage to kill the coconut, the goblin would take the damage from the explosion plus the damage from being hit in the head by a 45 pound coconut?

I meant that to be a quote, but it didn't work... Sorry, I'm new to the forums...

Palidian wrote:

ProfPotts wrote:

Humour aside...

Core Rulebook, Magic section wrote:

A creature or object brought into being or transported to your location by a conjuration spell cannot appear inside another creature or object, nor can it appear floating in an empty space. It must arrive in an open location on a surface capable of supporting it.

... emphasis mine.

Yeah ok but what if it could though? What's the damage die? Is there a crit range? These are the questions OP is asking, I believe.

Then it would follow the normal rules for falling objects.

By those rules, velocity has nothing to do with anything. Weight doesn't even matter. Size does. A 45 pound coconut likely isn't a Small object (which we know from 3.5 D&D is 2 to 4 feet), but that is the smallest object on the table. So 2d6 damage at most, but likely less. As coconuts aren't as hard as stone, the damage may be halved as well.

As the coconut is falling, not throw, there is no crit range (or attack roll at all). There is a DC 15 Reflex save for half damage.

If we go by the 3.5 D&D rules (which do account for weight and distance fallen), then it would deal no damage. A 45 pound object needs to fall at least 40 feat to deal any damage, and then it only deals 1d6 damage.

I hear you, but what can we do to make this a death coconut?

The following is impossible, but humor me.

Ever since I first started playing Pathfinder / D&D, I've had this dream to weaponize the spell Create Food and Water. I quickly realized that it's not possible, but for the sake of humor let's assume that there is some combination of feats, metamagic, and assorted class abilities that it's entirely possible to cast a spell with a ten minute catsing time in one combat round.

By the rules, in Pathfinder the spell creates "food and water to sustain three humans or one horse/level for 24 hours". Because Pathfinder does not specify exactly how much food that is, we'll use the D&D 5e description of the spell that states that you create "45 pounds of food and 30 gallons of water". For simplicities sake, we'll only be using the food for now.

The text of the spell - in either rulebook - never states the form the food must take, only that it is enough for three people. For added fun let's say that all 45 pounds are a single item of food. For our purposes, we'll be using one giant 45 pound coconut.

A cleric or shaman of 5th level - the lowest possible level to cast create food and water - can cast the spell at a range of 35 feet according to the Pathfinder rules.

To recap, we now have one 45 pound coconut dropped from 35 feet in the air.

Now it's time for everyone's favorite part, poorly done physics!

For physics reasons, we can convert the 45 pounds of food into 20.4117 kilograms. We can also convert the 35 feet into 10.668 meters. Assuming the gravity of Golarion is the same as the gravity of Earth, we can use the standard -9.81 m/s^2 for acceleration. Because this is a freefall problem, we also know that our initial velocity is 0 meters per second. Now we have all the data we need to figure out how long it takes for the coconut to hit the ground (or an unsuspecting goblin).

The formula for figuring out the time it takes for a freefalling object to fall a specific distance is distance = initial velocity * time + 1/2 * acceleration * time^2 (d=vi*t+1/2a*t^2). We are solving for t.

Because our object is falling downward, our acceleration and distance are both negative. So a = -9.81 m/s^2 and d = -10.688 m.

Our equation look like this: -10.668 = 0 * t + .5 * -9.81 * t^2

We can cancel out the first t because it is being multiplied by zero: -10.668 = .5 * -9.81 * t^2
Next we divide our acceleration by 2: -10.668 = -4.905 * t^2
Now that we have our equation simplified, we can add 4.905t^2 to both sides: 4.905t^2 - 10.668 = 0
Add 10.668 to both sides: 4.905t^2 = 10.668
Now we can isolate the variable by dividing both sides by 4.905: t^2 = 2.175
Take the square root of both side to get our time: t = 1.475

It take approximately one and a half seconds (with some generous rounding) for our coconut to brain our unsuspecting goblin, but we still need to find out what our coconut's final velocity is.

Final velocity is a lot easier now that we have our time. The formula is vf = vi + a * t

Our formula is vf = 0 + -9.81 * 1.475. We don't even have to do any algebra! It's just multiplication! I won't be going through this one step by step, so just trust me when I say our final velocity is 14.46975 m/s.

Now finally getting back to Pathfinder, how much damage does a 45 pound coconut do when it hits a goblin at 14.5 meters per second?

(P.S. my physics and algebra are a little rusty, so I hope I did that all correctly)