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I replied to the wrong quote but the quote I replied to is further down lol sorry just follow along ;)

Back to OP, I'll reiterate the question with a few additions:

what form the synthesist will have? Would it be his own bipedal (most of the times) form or the eidolon's one?

And then if he'll retain his bipedal form no matter if your eidolon is quadruped or serpentine, would it be able to use Mount, Pounce, Constrict and other evolutions that requires you to have a specific form?
According to James Jacobs reply you have to think the summoner AS the eidolon...

Would you gain also the free evolutions of the base form of the eidolon? Then, would a bipedal form or a serpentine one give you a base natural attack or do you have to pick them apart?

This conversation came up with me a friend too... so what if the synthesist inside had a ring of enlarge person permanency? that's only 8000gp. But then would this make things worse because the Eidolon uses all gear so would it make the large Eidolon huge lol? ... Also someone said correctly this isn't polymorphic effect so you're weapons wouldn't get bigger so even though your Eidolon is large your weapons would be medium. But the Eidolon gains your abilities and feats so if your proficient with medium weapons it is too also you don't need weapons use evolution because that would prove redundant for the first set of arms. I could see the case being made either way for needing weapons training for addition pairs of limbs wielding weapons though....

In reference to base shapes and you... I like to think of eidolons as power suits... sausage links or whatever.. so lets so you take the Quad evolution your wrapped in a nice pony shaped sausage you can bite you can go faster but wait you want to use a weapon or cast a spell... did you take limbs ? I would think that's a required evolution if for synthesist that takes a none biped form if you want to do arm-y things you need arms... I don't relish the idea of being a wizard boy in a womb of a holographic beast shooting spells out of it lol... I like to think your eidolon is more warped around you.. and part of you .. like the gyver ;)

Umbral Reaver wrote:

Nope. When you flurry, you can use one hand for all the attacks, both hands, your feet and head or even your butt if you're so inclined.

The number of flurry attacks aren't changed by the number of limbs you have. A hekatoncheires monk would have the same number of flurries as anyone else.

Which is why in 3.5 Fiendish Gelatinous cube monks were awesome!

Waffles for Varthanna that was awesome ;)

Varthanna wrote:

Tobias wrote:

The evolution gives the Eidolon the bonus to the skill. However, the summoner is not the Eidolon (he's only wearing it) and he does not get to use the Eidolon's skills.

So, no, it probably wouldn't apply.

Except that's the same language for pretty much all the evoltions, so are you arguing the summoner doesnt, in fact, get any benefits?

No. He doesn't. The eidolon has no feats or skills, and the summoner uses its physical abilities. If it has no feats or skills, and you give it a +8 bonus to a skill, then it has a +8 bonus to a skill it cannot roll. "The eidolon has no skills or feats of its own." This lasts until it gains Split Forms, in which case I'd argue that the eidolon gains the synthesists feats and mental ability scores. Otherwise, split forms would split you and your eidolon, and your eidolon would go unconscious from having 0 Wisdom/0 Int/0 Cha and disappear immediately.

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It's also a fantastic dip class now, because you can add the bonuses directly to your fighter or barbarian's already potent abilities.

When you're synthing with your eidolon, you use its BAB and not your own. Directly RAW. "The synthesist uses the eidolon's base attack bonus."

Level 1 synthesist/19 fighter synthing = uses +1 BAB.

Incorrect RAW

And just to throw some helpful reference quotes and page #'s in there

Page 80 Ultimate Magic

Synthesist (Archetype)
3rd Paragraph 4th Sentence
" The synthesist uses the eidolon's base attack bonus and gains the armor and natural armor bonus and modifiers to ability scores "

So I actually retract my earlier statement that I didn't think you could use armor with an Eidolon since it's says "gains vs replace in reference to armor"

Also notice it says the SYNTHESIST uses the eidolon's base attack bonus it does not say " you gain the eidolon's base attack bonus " you're not synthesist you're a character that has classes in synthesist *weird but important distinction*

next we reference the core rule book

Page 30 Core Rule Book

Multi-classing
2nd Paragraph

" For example, let's say a 5th level fighter decides to dabble in the arcane arts, and adds one level of wizard when he advances to 6th level. Such a character would have the powers and abilities of both a 5th level fighter and a 1st level wizard, but would still be considered a 6th level character.(His class levels would be 5th and 1st but his total character level is 5th) He keeps all of his bonus feats, grained from 5 levels of fighter, but can now also cast 1st level spells and picks an arcane school. He adds all of his hit points, base attack bonuses, and saving throws bonuses from a 1st level wizard on top of those gained from a 5th level fighter*

So two big important call outs in that paragraph. #1. SUCH A CHARACTER WOULD HAVE ABILITIES OF BOTH!!!... Doesn't it seem odd that an eidolon would delete the BAB of an entire separate class? also this goes to my earlier comment that classes are mutually exclusive and don't change each other... there are prestige classes that have synergy that is different

#2. He adds all the hit points, base attack bonuses, and saving throws of a 1st level wizard on top of those of a 5th level wizard.

So what's the BAB of synthesist ? Well if his eidolon is on it's 3/4 BAB if it's off it's 1/2 BAB so what ever other class there is on top of that it's still adding it's BAB. So you will have 2 BAB's just as you would if you didn't multi class that depends on whether you eidolon is on or off. However, it states quite clearly that you get BAB from both and nothing in the synthesist says you're BAB changes just the BAB of the synthesist aka class.

Also if you want your 8 skill points just wait till you get to add an evolution to yourself at level at level 10

OK BAB Synthesis and Multi-classing
We all have read that you replace the synthesist's BAB with your eidolons. However, it DOES NOT SAY your character replaces their BAB with the eidolons. And each class has it's own BAB. Instinctively we just assume *add BAB's together* which is true mechanically but, I yield to the earlier comment on multi-classing. Your character has NO BAB your classes do.

And just to throw some helpful reference quotes and page #'s in there

Page 80 Ultimate Magic

Synthesist (Archetype)
3rd Paragraph 4th Sentence
" The synthesist uses the eidolon's base attack bonus and gains the armor and natural armor bonus and modifiers to ability scores "

So I actually retract my earlier statement that I didn't think you could use armor with an Eidolon since it's says "gains vs replace in reference to armor"

Also notice it says the SYNTHESIST uses the eidolon's base attack bonus it does not say " you gain the eidolon's base attack bonus " you're not synthesist you're a character that has classes in synthesist *weird but important distinction*

next we reference the core rule book

Page 30 Core Rule Book

Multi-classing
2nd Paragraph

" For example, let's say a 5th level fighter decides to dabble in the arcane arts, and adds one level of wizard when he advances to 6th level. Such a character would have the powers and abilities of both a 5th level fighter and a 1st level wizard, but would still be considered a 6th level character.(His class levels would be 5th and 1st but his total character level is 5th) He keeps all of his bonus feats, grained from 5 levels of fighter, but can now also cast 1st level spells and picks an arcane school. He adds all of his hit points, base attack bonuses, and saving throws bonuses from a 1st level wizard on top of those gained from a 5th level fighter*

So two big important call outs in that paragraph. #1. SUCH A CHARACTER WOULD HAVE ABILITIES OF BOTH!!!... Doesn't it seem odd that an eidolon would delete the BAB of an entire separate class? also this goes to my earlier comment that classes are mutually exclusive and don't change each other... there are prestige classes that have synergy that is different

#2. He adds all the hit points, base attack bonuses, and saving throws of a 1st level wizard on top of those of a 5th level wizard.

So what's the BAB of synthesist ? Well if his eidolon is on it's 3/4 BAB if it's off it's 1/2 BAB so what ever other class there is on top of that it's still adding it's BAB. So you will have 2 BAB's just as you would if you didn't multi class that depends on whether you eidolon is on or off. However, it states quite clearly that you get BAB from both and nothing in the synthesist says you're BAB changes just the BAB of the synthesist aka class.

Hm, can you even get into EK at the level in your first example? Yes, your BaB will be +6 when you're fused, but it won't be when you aren't.

OK BAB Synthesis and Multi-classing

We all have read that you replace the synthesist's BAB with your eidolons. However, it DOES NOT SAY your character replaces their BAB with the eidolons. And each class has it's own BAB. Instinctively we just assume *add BAB's together* which is true mechanically but, I yield to the earlier comment on multi-classing. Your character has NO BAB your classes do. The Eidolon replaces the synthesist BAB and any BAB from another class would combine it's BAB since they are mutually exclusive. I mean if for some reason you did 4 levels Synthesis Summoner and 6 levels barbarian am I a Barbarian or Synthesis Summoner?

The correct answer is both and neither. So for all my opinion which may be worth nothing I would say the Synthesist has it's own BAB and any other class added has it's BAB and they would stack.

*I hope there is ruling on this soon too*

As far as synthesist and armor I would say no... If your Eidolon can't do it you can't. Also since you cant be targeted separately the armor would need to be on both of you so I lean to no on this.

Also this was on another thread about Synthesist, Eidolons, and movement. The dev said that a quad wouldn't get the carrying cap bonus for taking that form because you are still treated as a biped underneath your eidolon. So I guess this means you would get 30 speed if you were a medium creature with serpentine eidolon because your a biped underneath? but you loose climb? I don't know I don't agree with that call but that's here nor there to anything official happens