Hello everyone :)
I am currently working on an Illusionist-Sorcerer and came across shadow conjuration/evocation which I find interesting. However, the group I am playing with (and me too) find it very confusing; to the point that we had quite a discussion if it should be forbidden in our campaigns (me arguing to allow it ofc).
Shadow conjuration is an illusion[shadow] spell and has quasi-real effects. Ok, so essentially one gets some energy from the shadow plane - if I am not mistaken - but its not entirely there or only partly/part-time.
What is weird is that if the enemy believes it, it is 100% real. If not, then only 20%. It works fine for something like Wall of Stone (if I believe that there's a wall, I will go somewhere else...).
But what about spiked pit?
- It is only 20% as deep (ok)
- If the enemy fails the will save, he/she must make a reflex save or fall into it (ok'ish)
- But: if the enemy succeeds the will save, he/she will likely (80%) not fall into it.
Why? What does it have to do with a will save to fall into a hole in the ground? Even if it is quasi-real it does not depend on the enemy's will but rather on 1) timing (i.e. is it real in the 6 seconds that the enemy stands on it?) and on 2) the power of the sorcerer (could he make it more real than quasi-real?).
Point 2) is already in place through the minor and greater versions of the spell, so that is fine. But why a will save to fall into a pit? Same for e.g. a shadow evocation fireball.
Did I understand the rules wrong here? What would RAI be for a shadow conj. spiked pit?
Thanks for your help!
