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I ran the game, I initially spent about 20 minutes wondering what it was directing me to, but once I cross checked with my copy of Bestiary 6, I just realized it was referring to what it does, but yes. It does mean Pathfinder 2 Bestiary 1, page 6 and 212. It's awkward formatting, yeah, but sometimes things are poorly formatted. Doesn't change the fact it's referring to the Pathfinder 2E Bestiary.

You can argue what you want, it won't change the fact if you open up PF1E Bestiary 6, you'll get an entry for a CR 13 Protean instead of a level 0 kobold warrior.

But here, have a citation. Check the source section.
https://www.aonprd.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Oshageros

No, I get it now. I see what you're saying.

But on page 202, under Trollhounds, it says "Pathfinder Bestiary 2 268" so does that mean "Pathfinder Bestiary 1 pages 2 and 268"? No it doesn't because a comma is missing. That's pretty cryptic.

Look, I'm not complaining about the individual little errors. I am complaining that the quality of the product does not meet my expectations. That at the very least it should align with the rest of the core books if you are going to sell them as a ruleset. To me that seems like a fairly reasonable and common sense request.

That's it. I said my peace. Thanks for your time.

Incorrect, Pathfinder Bestiary 6, 212, is referring to PF2E Bestiary 1, pages 6 (contains rules on applying elite modifiers), and page 212 (which contains an entry for the Kobold Warrior, which is what a Fantatic is (Elite kobold warrior (Pathfinder Bestiary 6, 212). If you want further proof, page 212 of Bestiary 6 is a Oshageros Protean, which has nothing to do with a kobold.

So to you "Pathfinder Bestiary, 212" (note there is no "2" after Pathfinder) actually means "Pathfinder 2 Bestiary 1 page 6 and 212".

Do you not see how most people won't get that?

Anyway, look, I am giving you feedback from a longtime gamer who is new to this system. My opinion does not mean anything special. Don't want the feedback? No worries.

But there is no way you are going to convince me that "Pathfinder Bestiary, 212" actually means "Pathfinder 2 Bestiary 1 page 6 and 212" in any way a reasonable person can understand. I can see you're right about the kobold/elite being on thos pages, but the reference in the book is cryptic at best. Cryptic is not what I look for in my rule books.

The Bestiary thing is not referring to Bestiary 6 the book, it's referring to page six of the first PF2 Bestiary which is where the template is found.

Actually that's not correct. It lists a page # in "Pathfinder Bestiary 6". That's actually what it says: "Pathfinder Bestiary 6, 212" - look on page 130 of Kingmaker, for example, and you will see it under "Fanatics".

Look, all I'm saying is that it should not take too much effort to fix things in an electronic document. It's a PDF, and the way it is now makes it a little frustrating for people that do not have their fingers on the pulse of Paizo's releases, like me. I just bought the books and wanted to play. I don't really want to study up on which book is which version, what books have been updated or what powers no longer exist because of the remaster but are still being referenced in the source material. Things like "flat-footed", "lesser thunderstone" and others that no longer exist in the rules. If not for Nethys, it would be very annoying, and it makes the source material, which I paid a lot for, feel difficult and innacurate.

I don't mind things like alignments still being listed, but when I have a group of players in front of me and I'm trying to find "lesser thunderstone" which is now a "blasting stone", it makes it a bit frustrating and makes me feel that maybe I did not get what I paid for. There are other examples of this, but I can't quite recall them right now.

Hi all,

So I have been gaming my entire life. Over 40 years. Here's some initial feedback since I started my PF2 Kingmaker campaign a few months ago:

First of all, why did you use the same version number for Pathfinder 2 and Remaster? Version numbers are meant to allow you to distinguish between changes such as this. It is very annoying as a new person to have to realize that SOME books are remastered and others are not. Pathfinder 2.5? Why not? I can only assume you didn't because you had already invested in "branding"?

I also paid $49.99 for the Kingmaker adventure path PDF (and $100 for the hardcover) which not only is not remastered, but still has references to Bestiary 6 from the Pathfinder 1 ruleset? In particular I mean things like "elite" monsters which are now on page 6 of the new bestiary but in Kingmaker you have it listed as Bestiary 6? Bestiary 1 came out in 2019?! You don't think you should update the references in the PDFs you charge $50 for?

Kingmaker makes a LOT of references to things that have been changed in remaster. I could live with it if I didn't spend $150 on it. $50 for the PDF, and $100 for the hardcover, and it's not even up to date? Shame! Pathfinder 2 remaster came out in 2023...that was 3 years ago. What's up?

So in short: the game is good, but to a new player, the erratic nature of your ruleset makes it look confusing and of poor quality.

OTOH your support of Archives of Nethys is fantastic and it is an essential resource. Thanks for that site! It is one of the best gaming resources I have ever seen.

Max