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Not that a critical mass of people now have their books, I want to ask a general question.

For my own group it was like that: We never even considered PF1 as our game system, but after looking at the PF2 Playtest it was immediately clear for us that we'd change from D&D 5e to PF2 (and I do not agree with any ideas that it would be "like 5e". In truth it does most things much different.

We especially like that you are not tied to "fixed sub-classes", but instead can design your character on a "by-feat" basis. We also liked the 3-action-system a lot!

And there seemed much less "overpowered sub-classes" than in 5e (sorry, if this is more PF2 vs. 5e than PF2 vs. PF1, but as I said, for PF1 we never even thought about changing to it - with PF2 we changed to it pretty early in the playtest already).

So in Short: Yes, in the opinion of our group PF2 is better than PF1. By a large measure.

Best regards,
Steffen

Hi!

In the Playtest Book it used to be "Str 16 OR Dex 16" for Fighter Dedication (and it was also like this in the Hero Lab Online Character Editor).

Now this seems to have changed to "Str 14, Dex 14" (in Hero Lab Online now Str 14 AND Dex 14).

Was this intended ? I suspect the "," should be an "or", but it is not entirely clear in the book if it is a "and" or an "or".

How is it intended ? As you usually have either a Str-Fighter or a Dex-Fighter I think it makes not much sense to enforce to have to go "both routes".

It is similar for some other "Multiclass Dedications".

Best regards,
Steffen

I'm gonna do exactly what I saw someone else do with another thread get some very negative thoughts out of my head. My biggest concern with the new system is the way that the Multiclassing works, as I saw someone mention in another thread that's been locked now, "the new system makes it so that you can have the features of another class without losing the features of your original class."

Well my question is, what if I didn't want some of those features from my first class at all? What if I am Purposefully trying to opt out of those features? Do I not need a way to do that? What if the things I wanted were the Feats from the two classes more than anything else? What if I wanted to Multiclass just because I liked the Feats from the 2 classes I wanted to combine, and didn't necessarily care about the Baseline Features?

What you suggest sounds to me a bit like - 5e's way of multiclassing. And let me tell you - it is unredeemably BROKEN. You get Multiclass-combinations (usually characters where the combinations are just "like that" because of a gamemechanical combinaton, NOT because it fits to the story of this character) which are so much broken that no singleclass character will EVER be even remotely similar in "powerlevel". Not half in powerlevel. Not third in powerlevel.

The Multiclassing approach of PF2 was one of the things which I immediately liked on it, one of the thing which made me go "I have to convince my group converting from 5e to PF2". Tomorrow we will have our first PF2 Session ;-)

MagicSN