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Hey all,

I have been playing 3.0, 3.5 and Pathfinder since they came out and have a suggestion to make the math simpler for future versions.

The premise is similar to what they did with the AC in 3.0. The worked up from 10 instead of using the THAC0 system with the negative AC for heavier armor.

What I would recommend is that the attributes be divided in half. Instead of from 1 to 18, they would go from 1 to 9. The odd numbered values are useless anyway in terms of bonuses.

Once that is in place, I would remove the -5 for having an attribute at 1 and instead start at +1 and work your way up to +9 (i.e. your PLUS would be equal to your Attribute).

Then adjust all the DC by adding 5 points to the difficulty.

Your bonus to any skill check would be (D20 + RANK + ATTRIBUTE).

Your attack would be D20 + BAB + ST (or DX for bows).

AC would be 10 + Armor + Shield + DX

Example character:
Old system
DX 14 (+2), Stealth rank 2, Maneuver bonus = +4, against DC 10.
Wis 4 (-3), Survival rank 5, Maneuver bonus = +2, against DC 10
AC = +2
To hit with bow = +2

New system
DX 7 (+7), Stealth rank 2, Maneuver bonus = +9, against DC 15
Wis 4 (+4), Survival rank 5, maneuver bonus = +9, against DC 15
AC = +7
To hit with a bow = +7

It is not an exact match due to the flip around Attribute 10 (+0), but close enough to be worth it to simply things. Especially when you start getting buffs or attribute drained in the middle of combat. Really easy to figure out your new scores.


Here is something that completely contradicts this whole concept. According to the spell "Echolocation"

"The echo-producing noises are too high-pitched to be heard by most creatures, and can only be detected by dragons, other creatures with this ability (such as bats),"

Now, maybe they consider Blindsense to be Echolocation, but if so a Bat should detect an invisible creature. The bloody thing can time its flight properly to fly through a spinning fan, in pitch darkness and not get hit! Yet for some weird reason it cannot echolocate an invisible creature?