LimpingNinja |
Thanks LoreGuard and Draco18s for the reply, I agree that if I do not get an official answer this will just be how I use, despite how it shows in HLO. My interpretation after reading it a few times last night comes to the same conclusion as Draco18s.
With that said, I can understand LoneWolf's position here. The wording is quite poor in differentiation between how Order Powers cast vs whether a spell cast by an Order Power is actually the Power itself. The rules seem to be written to say they are, but the clarification is not great. What I think is missing from Paizo’s side is that the spells cast by Powers, unless explicitly noted otherwise, are considered the Power themselves. In other words, when an order power casts a spell, it is casting a rebranded version of the spell which is now a Power Spell.
Example: “Call of the Wild” becomes the special spell which is essentially casting SNA differently. Because of that, it is indicated as a Power spell. The wording in druidic order saying that these are “special spell[s] tied to your order… called an order power”, note the term special spell. The order power is a spell *itself* and it then says “You cast this order power by spending 1 Spell Point”. Hence “Call of the Wild” is an order power and you are casting “Call of the Wild” with 1 spell point based on the “Powers” rule. You are not directly casting SNA.
If this were true the wording should say it, if it is not true - according to LoneWolf (and a valid point) it does not call it out in the feat!
I've added it below for anyone that cares:
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The Druidic Order chosen provides ORDER POWERS which use Spell Points and are treated like POWERS as defined in the SPELLS section of the book. Because it is a POWER and not a spell, it is automatically heightened and allows you to arbitrarily cast it at whatever level you want, this is per the book.
Because these are POWERS they do not act the same way as Prepared Spellcasting. The thought that these should be treated as prepared spells using the ruling (1) the class feat relies on the spell slot for the heightening level and preparation of the spell; and (2) Does not use it for casting source (expending), does not agree with the text as I see. The text specifically says you gain a special spell, called a power.
Here is the breakdown:
Relevant text, Druidic Orders (p80), it says FOUR important things:
1. “Upon becoming a druid, you align yourself with a druidic order, which grants you a class feat, an *order power*, and an additional signature skill…"
2. “You gain a pool of spell points. Your maximum number of spell points is equale to your key ability modifier. *You regain all your spell points when you prepare your spells (see Daily Preparation .. 192)”
3. “You also **gain a special spell** tied to your order, which is called an order **power**. You cast this order power by spending 1 Spell Point, not by using spell sots.”
4. “Your order power is **automatically heightened to the highest level of spell you can cast**”
5. “Some druid feats grant your more order powers”
This gives three arguments for using this as the written rule:
First argument
#4 on (p80) is super important here:
According to the argument for preparation, you must prepare it at the appropriate heightened level, but according to the book it is **automatically** heightened.
Additionally, the feat says “The spell can be heightened to any level that you can cast, but if you choose to cast it as the highest-level [it costs more sp]” In other words, you can cast it any level by sheer choice, since it is auto heightened and you can choose at what level to cast it. This 100% agrees with POWERS rules (p193)
Second argument
#3 and #5 specifically, you ‘gain a special spell’ - that wording doesn’t make sense if you have to take it and prepare it, since it is in the primal spell list whether you take the order or not. You gain more power through additional druid feats. #3 says you cast this ‘order power’ or ’special spell’ by using spell points, not spell slots.
Third argument
The fact that these are called ‘order powers’ puts them in a different class. Throughout the book there “Champion Powers”, “KI Powers”, “Bloodline Powers”, “Order Powers”, etc. and these are specifically treated different then prepared spells.
It’s possible that these were intended to provide special spells that weren't on a list normally, but that doesn't hold up throughout the book. It is clear that this is 100% referring to these spells you can use through feats of your class (in this case Druidic Order POWERS/feats that grant spells) which use spell points.
The method for how these act is defined on Powers (p193):
1. "You can’t prepare a power in a spell slot”
2. “Powers automatically use the highest level of a spell you can cast from the camass that gave you the powers” <— agrees with the description text of the Druidic Order Power - Call of the Wild
I've responded to them with that, but regardless of the stance I think this is the right interpretation, hopefully it is clarified in the production release.
-LimpingNinja