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Karl Ragnarson wrote:

So final answer, if I am at 15 foot head room, I can use feat at 30 and beyond and 30/60, 40/80 and so on? Or minimum distance is one range increment which requires 50 feet headroom and 100+ distance?

the range increment has no relevancy here except that you treat them one range away so you get the -2 on your normal distance and the other increment is -4 instead of -2 and so on.

if you shoot at 30 feet you need to be able to shoot 15 feet in the air so if there is something that is blocking you can't use the feat.

like i said the feat is not really useful, remove the +4 to AC from cover to get a -2 to hit is not really useful you can get better feat instead

Well I've got the -2 penalty taken care of, Sniper Archetype for slayer takes care of one -1 and then Hunters Sight takes care of -2, So I have no penalties with this feat. But I think I have enough discussion to take to the GMs around my area and get a consensus, I appreciate everyone's help. But if anyone has further information that would be great as this seems to still be in the grey area.

So final answer, if I am at 15 foot head room, I can use feat at 30 and beyond and 30/60, 40/80 and so on? Or minimum distance is one range increment which requires 50 feet headroom and 100+ distance?

From the text, the impression I get is that it doesn't work indoors or with a natural setting equivalent of a ceiling.

In that instance I wonder why the last sentence then? In the outdoors headroom is irrelevant.

the feat say you treat them as one range increment further not you must shoot at enemies that is at least one range increment further, and to shoot far away you need to shoot higher (since you need to overcome the cover) so you need at least half the distance in height 30 foot long = 15 foot high

Utilizing that logic does not make perfect sense, it would mean if I was indoors with a 30 foot headroom, I would be able to use the feat at 60 feet. Why am I able to shoot closer with less headroom?

Utilizing the rules stated in the Ranged Tactics Toolbox

"While making a ranged attack, you can ignore any cover bonuses to AC, including total cover, unless the target also has cover from above, such as a roof or forest canopy. When using this feat, treat your target as if it were one range increment farther away. You can’t use this feat unless you have headroom equal to at least half the attack’s range."

What is the correct usage of Lob Shot with a bow? What are the rules for its usage indoors?

I have played one PFS session where I utilized the bow taking the range increment penalty as if it were one increment farther away and as the standard height was 15 feet I was only able to utilize the feat on shots 30 feet and under.

Next time I tried to use it the ruling was that I could only use it at 100 feet. As that was the range increment's distance and 50 feet of headroom was needed. Which indoors is dependent on the type of structure.

Just trying to use the rule correctly. I figured the first one was correct as the last sentence states using half of the attack's range. And I interpret that as whatever the range of the attack take half and that is the amount of headroom you need to use it. The second example was to interpret "attack's range" as the weapons range not the range of the attack. Did not see this anwywhere else except when mentioned as magical or without a bow and they didn't cover this in either. I appreciate any help I can receive, I really wanted to use this aspect in my build.