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I'm having some discussion with my GM and group about the Pinning Rend feat, and we can't come to a consensus on the damage. The text of the feat is as follows: "While you have an opponent pinned, when you succeed at a grapple combat maneuver check to deal an opponent damage using an unarmed strike or a light or one-handed weapon, that opponent also takes bleed damage equal to your unarmed strike or weapon damage dice. Any creature that is immune to critical hits is immune to the effects of this feat."

Does this mean that the damage dealt is equal to:

a) The number of dice rolled for damage with the weapon (or unarmed strike). For example, an unarmed level 12 Monk's damage is 2d6 (+str and other applicable bonuses), so the bleed damage is 2 per round

or

b) The actual damage statistic for the weapon. For example, an unarmed level 12 Monk's damage is 2d6 (+str and other applicable bonuses), so the bleed damage is 2d6 per round?

The wording isn't 100% clear to us, and I'm hoping someone has the answer. I tried searching for this, and other results regarding the feat didn't really clarify this specific aspect of the ability.


13 people marked this as FAQ candidate. Answered in the FAQ.

All page numbers noted in this post refer to the Second Printing.

In the grapple rules on page 200, it states that both creatures have the Grappled condition.

On page 567, the Grappled condition indicates that the affected creature cannot move, takes a -4 to Dex, a -2 penalty on attack rolls and combat maneuver checks (except those made to grapple or escape a grapple.)

However, page 195, in the Armor Class Modifiers table (Table 8-6) indicates "Defender is Grappling (but attacker is not): +0 Melee (1), +0 Ranged (1)" where footnote 1 indicates "The defender loses any Dexterity bonus to AC."

This information seems to be contradictory. Neither the text of the grapple rules, nor the grappled condition, indicates that either the attacker or defender is denied their dexterity, just that they take -4 penalties. Traditionally speaking, anything in text overrides what a table says. However, some members of my gaming group are insisting that because the text does not explicitly say whether or not dexterity is denied by being grappled, this implies we must defer to the table.

In searching the forum, I can find mentions of this contradiction in threads, but no official posting from the developers as far as what the ruling on this issue is. If we could get an official statement on whether or not the chart is misprinted, that would be most appreciated.