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Right back at you Noireve "winks"
You guys can deny all you like, but i still have yet to see any of you back up your claim.
My group and the two others we work with total three GM's and 17 players.
So far, only one GM and 3 players agree that it 'MUST' be what that line means. Most think it might mean that and I and 5 others are sure it does not.
So if you're having a problem understanding why this question is being dicussed that's on you.

Now, if anyone has anything intelligent to add, like further proof one way or the other please do.

Other wise talk to the hand *smiles*

Yes yes I did read this, and I submit that your view point is wrong, but I acknowledge I can't prove that. Please for the love of Guygax stop trying to shove the same sentance in my face multiple times.
Your still wrong, that's not what that's supposed to mean.
When I can prove it, thus ending this unnessiary debate, ill post it and it will be done.

But.. you already know I'm right, don't You? :-)

The sad fact here is that I can't find anything so far that says "not broken when thrown" to cancel the dogmatic view point on this ruling. But I will continue trying for the good of everyone ever led astray by this.
Shuroken do not break when thrown, the rules plainly show this. If and when I find proof you can't just dismiss ill post it.
Until then I encourage GMs to do whats painfully obvious and let them be what they are designed to be, thrown weapons.

Thanks all, peace!

Ill admit Ryngen that part is confusing, but it by no means proves me wrong.
That's the only reference that might me seen that way, but I have shown 4 others that say differently.
I'll take the 4 to 1 odds that I'm right anyday.
And lets just throw common sense lnto the mix ad well, shall we? It's not poof, but it is leading.

Guys shuriken are not ammo, they are only treated as ammo for drawing out or with the use of the magic weapon spell. They're not listed on the weapon ammunition breakage chart. They're not listed on the cost chart for ammunition. They are listed on the exotic ranged weapon chart. They do not break when you throw them.

Okay all, this should be common sense, but here goes.. Shuriken are NOT ammunition.
There are two references to shuriken being ammo, and I quote, "shuriken are treated as ammunition for the purposes of drawing them, crafting masterwork or otherwise special versions of them, and what happens to them after they are thrown."

To be honest, the last part has me confused a bit, but they are not on the magical ammunition breakage chart.
"Magic Ammunition and Breakage: When a magic arrow, crossbow bolt, or sling bullet misses its target, there is a 50% chance it breaks or is otherwise rendered useless. A magic arrow, bolt, or bullet that successfully hits a target is automatically destroyed after it delivers its damage."

And the spell magic weapon says "Treat shuriken as projectiles, rather than as thrown weapons, for the purpose of this spell."
Meaning you can do 50 at a time (because they're tiny, I guess)

In both cases it clearly says 'treat as' which means they are not ammunition.

They are not on the ammo chart, they are in the Exotic ranged weapon chart.

This means they are ranged (Thrown) weapons much like a dagger that you can't use to melee with.
They don't break when you throw them, like any other thrown weapon. Which, in my opinion, is a no-brainer anyway.

Enchanting them, unlike the spell magic weapon, is a 1 on 1 deal, so if I were you, I'd put returning on them. I enjoy using my +3 Flaming shurikens of returning every chance I get.

I hope this has been helpful to everyone.