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ertw wrote:
I was hoping to have the update for the BotIS document ready too, but that hasn't been completed yet (hopefully it'll be done soon).

Any idea on the timetable for this update? I'm curious to see what you've put together.


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I'm really loving the look of the Morithil Pier Glass. It might finally make for a reasonably capable thrown weapon character in pathfinder.


So a recent debate on /pfg/ about the police/city watch's use of the greater detect magic spell got me thinking about how a beguiler would deal with having his arcane trail followed. As far as I can tell, the class doesn't have any defense against this since he doesn't have greater magic aura on his spell list. This would mean any type of law enforcement with access to a level 3 wizard could easily track any beguiler. Am I missing something?


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Ertw, it seems like you've softened a bit on the matter of letting other classes have limited access to beguiler class features. Do you think you'd reconsider things like JammyPanda's VMC suggestion or an improved/greater eldritch heritage equivalent for guild apprenticeship?


I have a question about the counterfeit blood order. Does the alter ego ability function similarly to a vigilante's dual identity ability? How quickly can you switch between your two identities? Can the two identities have differing alignments?


ertw wrote:

Since we're at the top of the page again here are the most recent links for newcomers:

Beguiler Conversion - main conversion document
Beguilers of the Inner Seas - Golarion themed options for your beguiler

And now, here is my first draft for the beguiler class templates:

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This is even better than I had hoped!


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ertw wrote:

Quick tease of the templates I'm working one:

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Excited to see the details on these!


ertw wrote:
SylverFox wrote:
JHeats wrote:
Oh and if you do a harbinger archetype, please please please make charisma its initiating ability.
LOL seconded!
Am I missing a joke here? I was leaning towards including the harbinger with the slayer and fighter which would gain 4-level Int based prepared casting.

It's a reference to the fact that the DSP dev that wrote the harbinger often posts in the pathfinder thread on 4chan and insists that he'll never make a harbinger that runs on charisma (even though many feel that the harbinger's whole schtick makes more sense tied to charisma than intelligence).


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Oh and if you do a harbinger archetype, please please please make charisma its initiating ability.


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SylverFox wrote:
As long as you're posting ideas here or playtesting them, I think plenty of people would be willing to help you with any balance concerns you have. As for stacking homebrew and 3PPs, as long as it's an optional rule and not an integral part of the conversion I don't think many people would have problems just saying yes to the beguiler but no to the initiating or manifesting options (or even no to the whole template system).

I'd definitely be willing to offer crits and suggestions for these.


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SylverFox wrote:
If you're willing to go more afield into DSP's portfolio, I'd love to see your take on a beguiler inspired dread, harbinger or stalker.

F*!+ yes, I'd love to see psionic or initiating beguilers.


I'm a big fan of this conversion, in fact I'm a little embarrassed to admit that I went for about a month before I realized it wasn't an official paizo product. Have you ever considered making a psionic archetype for the beguiler? It seems like a pretty natural fit.