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To follow what Tarantula said, what if you have a 25x25 room with a desk and a bed and 5 inches of junk all over the place. You can't see the ground.

There is a hidden magical longsword under the mattress and a bag of gems in the 2nd drawer of the desk. On top of that, there is some valluables mixed in the junk like a magical ring and a ioun stone. The desk is trapped with a poison needle and some nasty little gremlin installed a magical trap in front of the bed. Logically, a 3.5 adventure would require a search for every single 5x5 squares and comparing the results with the DC of each items hidden and the traps... you find or you don't.

But how is it deal with in Pathfinder ?

The same ? Or is it only one perception check comparing the results with each DCs and adding modifiers for distance and other modifiers ?

Thank you all but that does not answer my original question:

If I take that 25' X 25' room, a 3.5 character would have searched the room for traps AND hidden treasure by taking 20s on every 25 squares, would have taking him 50 minutes to do so.

In Pathfinder, the rules are not clear: do you make a perception for the entire room or like 3.5, do one every 5x5 squares ?

Right now, the Pathfinder Core rules seems to point to one check for the entire room which is a simple move action or, if you take 20, 1 or 2 minutes.

I agree this question is more about the "perception" skill in general and not about trapfinding but still, I'd really need an answer or reference.

Thanks !

I've been searching around for an answer but I can't.

In 3.5, you could take 20 on your search. You can do the same in Patfinder for the perception skill.

Doing this took 20 times more time than usual. So in 3.5, it means it took 2 minutes per 5 feet X 5 feet square. That way, if I had a 25 feet by 25 feet room and the rogue was searching the whole room, I could make 25 secret rolls or simply roll once for the secret treasure and once for the trap. Reagardles of how I did it, I could tell the players it would take him 50 minutes to do so...

In pathfinder, it does not specify it is a search for each 5ft X 5ft. It only says it takes a move action to make a perception check. Since you can make a 2 move action in a round, a take 20 would take 10 rounds (1 minute)... but how about the room mentioned above ?

The way the rules are written, it seems it would take 1 minutes and it would cover the whole room... which makes no sense but am I right ?