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i Think that a Mandatory LEGAL but not necessary good "paladin" should be the best solution. Rly, a paladin it's a godchosen warrior that follow a morale code. Ok perfect. I can be LG, LN o LE for that matter and have a moral or Conduct code( damn, the Hellknights have it) and be a chosen warrior the same.

Think of it. An Abbadar Paladin, An Asmodean Paladin( antipaladin should be LE in first place an not CE IMHO) that will be really cool, and will add a bunch of deepness in your story!

i can understand the reason behind the NOT Caothic paladins, but Legal should be mandatory.

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It has been a huge argument; James Jacobs feels they should always be lawful for lore reasons, while players feel Paladins mechanics shouldn't be exclusive to LG characters.

Whooooooa there.

"While players feel"

No no no no no no... SOME players feel. You totally don't speak for the player base here. I totally think they should always be lawful for lore reasons and I am a player. In fact a lot of players feel this way.

I'd say about 30% of players feel they should remain lawful. 20% of players feel they shouldn't be. Then probably 50% of players don't really care.

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As the 2e rulebook will include Archetypes, Paizo has a unique opportunity to settle this argument to the satisfaction of all.

Uh... No?

Not all. Not all at all. A LOT of people would be upset if they turned them into some weak-sauce archetype rather than a class. Since they have been a class for over 40 years.

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Maybe, instead of Paladin, the core rulebook should have a class called the "Herald."

No.

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The Herald has all of the Paladins/AntiPaladins abilities - except - they are themed around the deity of the Herald, not around being LG/CE.

Absolutely not. Paladins are not just holy warriors. No. No. A million times no.

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The Herald also has an archetype called the "Paladin" which has a LG requirement and abilities similar to the 1e Paladin.

No. How about we just leave Paladin as is, a class, that has a Lawful Good requirement.

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This allows Paladins to remain part of the lore from day one of second edition, while also making the Paladins abilities available to characters of all alignments.

No. Because that isn't what Paladins ARE. Paladins serve gods, but they are not created by gods.

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Asmodean "Paladins" can also be a thing now.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

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You're welcome Pathfinder community. I am sure no-one will have issue with my solution.

I have...

Hei dude! Chill out here imho The herald option its a very good one that permit to have both the drunken wife and the bottle of Wine full.

Herald can be a sort of "fusion" between
The actual paladin without the alignment restriction and the warpriest. In fact the warpriest it's already something like that. If an archetypes its to meek for a mighty class that will change only in name, well maybe you can, at the first level, impose a code like a sort of cleric domain. You need to have the same allignment of your god (or one step on one axis like a LN paladin of asmodeus but not a lb one.) and it need to be legal.

But if you want the "chaotic o neutral one" you can introduce archetypes that change this and all will be good.

Rly i love the Idea of the herald. It need only very few tweeks