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Ninja in the Rye wrote:

mplindustries wrote:

gorrath wrote:

After so many editions, would be nice if there was no more "dump" stats

I agree completely. But then again, as I said, point buy is the culprit here. There wouldn't be any "dump stat" if you didn't have the ability to dump stats.

Point buy isn't the culprit.

A Fighter who rolls up 18, 17, 15, 12, 11, 6 is probably going to "dump" the 6 into his CHA or INT.

Oh, no, I hate rolling, too. I suggested allowing your players to choose from a few different arrays. If none contain dump stats, then there's no dumping.

if one stat is higher than another theres a dump stat. I honestly dont mind dump stats if they roleplay it out. although i do have a few friends who min max optimize and do everything in their power to be better than everyone else no matter what. those types of players annoy me to no end and the rules arent in place with those people in mind. its a roleplaying game.

Ok im starting a pathfinder Campaign with the alternate rule for armor as damage reduction just wondering what changes to damage reduction and what stays defense? for example a shields ac goes into defense but an armors ac goes into damage reduction aswell as natrual armor and can be bypassed by magic. but what about things that dont list a specific type of ac bonus like mage armor gives you +4 bonus to armor class does that go to defense or damage reduction? sources would be much appreciated.