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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
IIRC, Ileosa has Stoneskin active, which gives DR 10/adamantine but soaks a max number of HP, 70 in this case.

Ah, that makes perfect sense:

Ileosa's statblock states that she is casting stoneskin from her major ring of spell storing. For rings of spell storing, per CRB pg. 482, "each spell has a caster level equal to the minimum level needed to cast that spell." Stoneskin soaks 10 damage per caster level and is sorcerer/wizard 4, so for a wizard, minimum caster level is 7, so stoneskin would then save 70 hp, matching that parenthetical.

Thank you for the answer!


For example, on page 444 of the Curse of the Crimson Throne Adventure Path, Ileosa Arabasti's statblock reads

AP spoilers:

DR 10/adamantine (70 hp)

What does that "70 hp" in parentheses mean? The Damage Reduction entries in the Glossary Appendices of the Bestiaries don't say anything about a parenthetical containing hp in DR lines.

Does anyone have an official source for what that parenthetical would mean?


Is there any lore on the cross symbol that appears on the flag of Cheliax and the flag of Isger?

It also appears on the clothing on members of House Thrune, including Abrogail II Thrune, Barzillai Thrune, and Lucian Thrune, and on agents of Thrune.

Is it a symbol of House Thrune, or it is more generally a symbol of Cheliax, or something else?

I'm looking for official canonical sources, not guesswork.


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For the OP and anyone else interested, there are actually already two official Sable Company Marine ranger archetypes published by Paizo.

Paizo originally, in 2010, published a Sable Company Marine ranger archetype online in an official blogpost.

Paizo later, in 2014, reworked the archetype and published it in Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Combat pg. 43.


Azothath wrote:

consult RAW. It's not that hard really and you stated the calculation. Caster Level is generally given for most creatures.

So - many magic items have a level stated in the Crafting Requirements or you can use the minimum level for the crafting feat or spell. IF it is different it is on the crafter/writer to include any variance.
It's why I suggest you immediately switch notation to;
  {spell name}:{school}{spell level}@{caster level} {DC: if needed} [{charges}] as that ends the ambiguity.

Wand: Vanish:I1@6 [23]. That is VERY clear.
Scroll: Maximized Fireball:K6@11 60{10d6}[fire] DC:18 [1]. Again, very clear.
 On the DC, high level caster pens his scroll DC=10+3+5(Int), this is NOT a standard scroll. Sometimes I use Rflx:15 or Will:13 rather than "DC" as it may save a step. I enumerate at the end as it will change and allow crossouts/notes, with [1] you don't really need it but in PFS it could be [4] on one scroll.

otherwise consult your GM as it's his Job to come up with the numbers or figure it out.

I am the GM, and that doesn't answer what I asked at all.

Many spells count as different levels for different classes. For example, scrying is Bard 3, Cleric 5, Druid 4, Sorcerer/Wizard 4. Overwhelming presence is Bard 6, Cleric 9, Inquisitor 6, Sorcerer/Wizard 9.

Which class's spell level should be used for the formula from the CRB quoted in the original post?


CRB pg. 459 states, "Magic items produce spells or spell-like effects. For a saving throw against a spell or spell-like effect from a magic item, the DC is 10 + the level of the spell or effect + the ability modifier of the minimum ability score needed to cast that level of spell."

But if the spell is one that is a different spell level for different classes, how do we determine which class to use for the above calculation?

I've heard many conflicting answers for this:

- Some people say you should use the class of the crafter of the magic item. But what if you do not know who crafted the item?

- Some people say you should use the class of the person activating the magic item. But what if that person is not any of the classes that has the spell?

- Some people say you should always assume sorcerer/wizard. But what if
sorcerer/wizard is not any of the classes that has the spell?

- Some people say you should always assume the class with the lowest spell level.

- Some people say you should always assume the class with the highest spell level.

Does anyone have a canonical source that clarifies this?