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Your first attack wouldn't even get one sneak attack at the start of the fight. It says specifically that if you do any action that IS NOT hide or sneak you become seen just before the action, making them no longer flat footed, making them no longer susceptible to sneak attack.

This really burns me at all angles, not even just for rogues. Flat footed is irrefutably a combat-based condition. It doesn't have any application outside of combat. What is the point of the conditions making them vulnerable to an attack when they lose that vulnerability the exact second you attack?! It makes no sense.


Anyone think this might be DM discretion? A pinned creature is "bound" but in the reading of pinned it doesn't say specifically that a pinned creature is helpless yet a bound creature is considered helpless by the reading of helpless. "or otherwise completely at an opponent’s mercy" This key phrase makes it really seem to be up to the DM(But then again everything is, right?) and the reading of stunned sounds pretty helpless. Drops items, can't take any actions, loses AC and Dex. Sounds damn helpless to me. One could argue that the duration of most stuns don't last particularly long and is a temporary state, but aren't most helpless conditions temporary? A sleeping opponent could wake up, a bound person can break free, an unconscious person could regain consciousness. Seems semantically up to conjecture to me.


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

No. Here's what Iaijutsu Strike says:

Iaijutsu Strike wrote:

A sword saint can perform a lightning quick iaijutsu strike against the target of his challenge to inflict devastating wounds while drawing his sword. After the sword saint has challenged a foe but before he has attacked the target of his challenge, he may choose to use his iaijutsu strike as a full-round action, making an attack roll with his weapon as normal. In order to use this ability, the sword saint’s weapon must be sheathed at the start of his turn. If he successfully hits his opponent with an iaijutsu strike, his attack deals an additional +1d6 points of damage. This bonus damage increases by an additional +1d6 at 3rd level and every two levels thereafter to a maximum of +10d6 damage at 19th level. Any extra damage as a result of a successful iaijutsu strike is not multiplied by a critical hit.

After making an iaijutsu strike, a sword saint takes a –4 penalty to his AC until his next turn, but his weapon is now drawn and he may continually to fight normally. Regardless of whether he hits his opponent with the iaijutsu strike, a sword saint cannot use this ability on the same foe more than once per day.

At 10th level, a sword saint learns to focus faster and is able to make an iaijutsu strike as a standard action, and the penalty to his AC is reduced to –2. This ability replaces a samurai’s mount.

Here's what Vital Strike says:

Vital Strike wrote:
When you use the attack action, you can make one attack at your highest base attack bonus that deals additional damage. Roll the weapon’s damage dice for the attack twice and add the results together before adding bonuses from Strength, weapon abilities (such as flaming), precision-based damage, and other damage bonuses. These extra weapon damage dice are not multiplied on a critical hit, but are added to the total.
Using Iaijutsu Strike is a Full Round Action (or a Standard Action @ 10th Level). Vital Strike is an Attack Action, a type of...

Actually I think if this isn't an absolute ruling (which I can't find anywhere that it is) then it should honestly be DM discretion. Attack action is a sub-type of a standard action, and Iaijutsu Strike is a standard action that a DM could easily see as an attack action because it is a combative attack type of a standard action. Anything set to a standard action could be categorized into one of the sub-type actions. Though I can definitely see why a DM might crush the marrying of this feat and ability, with all the right Vital Strike and crit feats including some mythic versions and maybe some tweaks here and there to certain things you could probably cleave a mountain in two with this combination.