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not intensive purposes.

Yea yea...sue me lol it was late and i was on my cell phone :P lol

Ok, after spending some time looking at responses from Vic regarding this issue, i'm going to chime in on my thoughts.
I totally understand that the claim is this business model works and clearly it does. However, maybe it's time to perhaps look at a better "perk" for subscribers and not for all intensive purposes, snub me as a willing customer in the process. In fact, i would argue that keeping customers coming directly through this site and keeping secondary hands out of the picture all together, would be a much more desirable end model. I find it hard to believe that having secondary retailers is better in the big picture,especially in this day and age of internet commerce. Brick and mortar stores are slowing dying because of internet prices anyways.

I don't know, i guess as a willing customer who would love to see money stay more in the hands of the producers and less in the middle mans, i would like to see an option of being able to purchase a hardcover or other materials that gets a free pdf for being a subscriber, be available in the same manner for people willing to purchase direct at a later time.
Without being privy to what options could potentially be available to subscribers, i can't really make a specific recommendation for changing perks.
Just something to think about. Business models should be adaptable and flexible. In the end, it just feels like we are dancing around an elephant in the room for no real reason. :) Just my thoughts :)

I am curious why an option isn't afforded to a non subscribing customer to get a pdf with the purchase of, i guess not only the hardcover, but any of the other items you have , like the adventure paths for example.

I tend to buy most of my books right from amazon, but at a significant discount in price, but obviously, i can't get the pdf through them. So, i have the option of coming here and just purchasing the pdf,which in the end, winds up costing me the same amount as if i was a subscriber.

To be blunt here, i would much rather just purchase my book and get the pdf all from paizo and get my pdf with it. It would just really make things much easier and i'd feel like i was supporting the little guy in the end rather than amazon. However, i don't have the money quite honestly to be a subscriber and can't make that kind of commitment ahead of time, because i don't know where my funds will be.

This is just something i've been really curious about for a while and was wondering if someone from the company could answer this for me :)

I just want to add; I really appreciate the effort you guys have put into pathfinder and honestly, i feel a sense of awe, like i used to as a kid when i played ad&d and remember reading all the cool new books and rules and stuff. It just feels like you guys are adding "coolness" back into the rpg atmosphere and i for one, really appreciate it. I haven't had so much fun in a lot of years. Thanks for re-invigorating my interest in role playing!

Thanks for the heads up Vic. I was just trying to locate a box for some friends as a gift and was very disappointed to see amazon isn't selling it direct anymore for the price i bought it for :( was kind of a bummer honestly. $21 bucks is a helluva price for this little box of masterpiece you guys created! I love mine! But 34.00 is still far better than what some of the wankers are trying to rip people off for. I saw some selling for $64...that's just crappy.

I actually did buy the hero labs program for pathfinder and i love it! We started out using the beginner box one and found that simply awesome to use to! I would highly recommend using it for anyone looking for a great character creator.

@lightbulb, i have no idea what you're talking about with d&d lol we're talking about pathfinder here lolol

Wow, what a wonderful community response!! I appreciate everyones comments and feedback! I definitely think the "chunking" method would be best. Just introduce pieces at a time.
Personally, i don't feel it was bad at all to have a beginner box. It d doesn't feel unnatural at all. Although it may seem like, to a more advanced and experienced player, that doing the beginner box and then moving to the more advance stuff might be counter productive, i feel it's actually a pretty big advantage over just being thrown into the hard core stuff from the get go. For one, the BB lets you get some experience into the real nature of the game, that being role playing and get familiar with the basic mechanics, then as most have said here, introduce more as time goes on. A few of us have had experience with older versions of d&d but there are about 3 total who have zero experience. So this BB has been a real treat for them. Doesn't overwhelm them and lets us old timers get our footsies wet again :)

Also i really liked the idea of finding a pathfinder session to sit in on. I live in the fort wayne indiana area, so if anyone here is experienced and lives around that area, let me know if you would be willing to let me check it out :)

Thanks again everyone!

OK, here's my dilemma. Myself and a few friends have been playing the beginner box now for a few months. I recently went ahead and purchased the core rulebook and beastiary with full hopes of moving away from the beginner box and into the full core rules. The trouble i had last weekend when i tried to transition is that it's feeling very overwhelming trying to remember so many of the little things that are in the core rules, that the beginner box didnt use. I know myself and a few others are struggling with things like FLAT FOOTED for example. Just trying to wrap our head around stuff like that just hasn't been easy for a few of us in our group.

So i guess i was curious what others experiences have been at this transitional point. I for one am really looking forward to delving into the more complex stuff, but to be honest, a few people in our group are not feeling all that excited with the prospect of trying to remember all this new stuff.
Are there any good ideas or ways to easing into this? Tricks, tips and suggestions would be MOST welcome and i look forward to hearing back from the community :)

PS: Paizo, you guys have done a fantastic job with the beginner box and i truly appreciate the effort that went into it! Thanks alot for making such a great product that has pulled an old retired AD&D gamer back into the love of role playing :)