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GM Rednal!!!
Thank you!!!
Devil's!
Devil's is what I have been looking for! God silly slip of the mind. Thank you. Found exactly what I needed in minis and in monsters
100% thank you! Lol


I built a sweet gaming table with a 49in tv in the center and for the first use it will be a one off session.

The IDEA is a shadow dragon and demons are making a deal, they have already take over a drow city and are going to take over a surface city soon.

Which Demons should i choose in the fight.
I m using a lot of dretches as a demon horde that should be only an annoyance to the 12lv player 6-8 of them.

I want maybe 3-4 Demons CR 9-12 maybe holding open portals that the players have to fight.

I think i want the classic wings and horn look but thats not to hard to stray from with my minis, they should fit that role of making deals and maybe high intelligence.

Ive looked through the monsters lists a lot but nothing sticks out well to me.

Any ideas folks?


SorrySleeping wrote:

Also your Cauldron only works once per day, and can let you summon 1d3+1 from the monster 4 list. You aren't using summon monster 4 in a 5th level slot, you are using summon monster 5, to summon lower leveled monsters.

Also also, make sure you are using summon monster correctly. It is a full round action, meaning you start it on your turn, and your monster isn't summoned until the start of your next turn.

Yes thank you!

I have been doing this wrong!
Could have had more powerful summons.

Good insight, thanks

DM allowed me to take a chronocharm after we had a long debate about sacred summon. which allows me once per day to summon as a standard.
https://holiviantales.wordpress.com/game-mechanics/magic/magical-devices/wo ndrous-items/clothing/items-for-the-throat/chronocharm-of-the-uncaring-arch mage/

SO...
Augmented and superior summoning.
In my 5th level spot
Summon monster 4, 1d3+1
Summon monster 4, 1d3+1 with the cauldron once per day
is the optimal.
AS a standard action with the chrono charm

But i been doing
in my 5th level spot
summon monster 4, 1d3+1 (usually hound archon)
summon monster 3 1d3+1+1 (usually lantern archon)
AS a standard action with the chrono charm


I'm new to the forum but i couldn't find the answer.

I have a cleric that summons a lot of summons but my DM never attacks them and says the monsters would know that they are summoned.
He continues attacking near by players or tries to move around the summons to get to the players.

so my question is, what should I say to him to treat the summons as normal creatures and use some of the enemy's attacks and abilities on them instead of the players?

As a side note ill use my 5th level slot to summon monster 4
i have superior and augmented summoning and use a cauldron of overwhelming allies.

so I summon
1d3+1 summon monster 4, and...
1d3 +1 +1 summon monster 3