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Ahhhhh, right. Oops.

In the DMG that entry is *supposed* to read:

"A potion or oil ... can duplicate the effect of a spell of up to 3rd level that has a casting time of less than 1 minute and targets one or more creatures."

In the PRPG book is says as much in both instances: under potions and again under Brew Potion.

That said, "self" isn't a target for the sake of "this spell targets X creature or creatures" so, no, you can't have potions of "self" cast. This also prevents potions of fireball, for example. (Though I think that would be HILARIOUS, frankly.)

Thank you again Joshua. This is what I thought but I just wanted to make sure as some have been using them and some will not use them now we have a standard for pathfinder.

Ring of force shield essentially grants you a +2 shield bonus to your AC as if you were wielding a heavy shield without needing to actually wield anything. It requires no hands to wield--just an open ring slot.

Potion of enlarge person, after further review, appears to be a holdover typo from 3.0. It should be a 50 gp potion at CL 1 (and is in the PRPG).

Thank you Joshua. How about personal only spells such as shield, divine favor, long strider,all the detect spells,entropic shield, disguise self, expeditous retreat, Comprehend Lang., true strike, and jump?

Yoda, I'm unclear if you were agreeing with me or offering your own take on the subject. I didn't mean to suggest a higher caster level if it came out that way. I theorized that a higher level caster could craft at a caster level below their actual, like a 10th level cleric who brews CL1 potions of cure light wounds. The quickened enlarge is a 5th level spell, but could be CL1 by design. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just find this puzzle interesting and have a pet theory. I'm eager to hear another explanation.

I figured they made it more expensive becasue of the full round cast as well but I was not sure and there is no rule to state it as so. So far I have seen a lot of opinions(?sp i am terrible) and yes I know all these things are debateable. I have made my desion on how to handle such things in my home campain but the question is how to run them in the society. For instance the enlarge person potion, So far I have gotten access on two different Cronicles and both times it lists it at 250gps and one says CL1st and the other does not state the CL and by default I would say it is CL1st because it is a first level spell. If it was at a higher Caster Level then it would be stated. Second the personal effect spells target one person and that person is the caster. So I am still unclear as to if you can buy personal spells as potions in the society. I realize in your own person campains each GM has a way to deal with this but I would really like to know how it is supposed to work in the society. Also I realize this may not even be a problem after August with the new rules coming out but I would like to know how to handle this now.

I have run into another item that is giving me a little trouble with its wording as well for the society.

Again I would like to know how this works in the society.

Thanks for the help
Todd

I have a question about first level potion avaliblity in the society. In the start guide it says any 1st level potion 50 gps or less and any oil 100gps or less. In the Dmg the enlarge person potion costs 250gp but by the item creation rules it should cost 50gp. Also personal spells target one person so in the creation rules a shield spell should be able to be made and purchaseable for 50gp, but are not in the Dmg. So if i wanted to by an enlarge person potion is it open access and cost 50gp or is it 250gps and not open access and if it is not why is the cost higher then other 1st level spells in potion form. Also are all personal spell availible in potion form or are they not and if not why?

Thank you all in advance for your input.

Todd