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I dont think about that posibility, any way joaco takes very things thats we agree no allowed. Such like the Fighter ARchetype of Ultimate Combat, i dont count the FlatFooted condition in my attacks, anyway it was fun, but it we play so wroooooooooooooooong, I wil going for revange!!!!

I don't understand the bit about panicking. Him being panicked and dropping his weapon is not the same as being disarmed and you're faster than him because you have Fast Movement and he doesn't have Armor Training with the Two-Handed Fighter archetype.

He was a Armor Master, the Fighter who can´t take critics XD

I really i dont know....the thing is that i am a nice and peacefull gamer. When a master or player tell me something about a rule character o something i say "Uhm Okey" Trusting he is telling the true. Maybe Joaco play or read wrong some rules, all have mystakes. For example, i turn Joaco Shaken, and whit Shatter Defenses i could leve him flat.flooted, but i forgot about that feat.

Is that +15 his full damage? Cause that's not very high for a 20th level fighter.

str+7 + 5 magic weapon + 15 (I dont know whats is that number. total 12+15 = 27 Damage per Hit!. Crtic Range 15-20 Great Sword cuz he has Improved Critic Feat and his Weapon has Keen....but i just read the rules and that numbers dont stack.....OMG I been this pvp was a rip-off XD. I wan the revenge!!!! He use the ultimate combat and use items that dont stack XD lol XD

And he Critic leave Exhausted so rage gone!. XD but i just read the rules of keen......I feel so Rip -off

The only thing i dont get is how get +15 in damage! a mean, his damage was this. Str. +7 Enchant +5 +15 (I dont know where it come from that plus 15 but i never play whit a fighter, but he says that is one on his hability, and i was too much hurry to play i never asked.) I mean I join it this experiment, i really fun whit that. But somethins in this fight smells fishy to me! i mean +15???? I WANT THAT! XD

The funniest part went i do the T.H!, and you know what he says?..."When you packnied one foe, its imposible follow him, thats why you cant you use T.H, cuz i just run and run and run, and you cant no catch me.."
¬¬ i saw very, buy veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery "WTF?" but the master says that is how work T.H.....so, i be able to do it. So...T.H by the toilet too XD.

Yup! facking Joaco! and he wants to use invisible potions!!!! when by the phone i say no potions like that!!! XD XD XD

Okey results of the PvP.

4ROUNDS!....The Fighter wins all! XD lol!.

But i have something to say abouta that, i wanna to be a Smasher Barbarian for x and something i dont do it, i be a Unvulnerable Rager, he has a Fightar Amor Master!, but for some reason even that he had +7 in Str. he can do me +15 in damage, why? k dont know i dont. So he was doing the Ultimate Combat!..i just realise that XD

Not sure how a potion of Bull's Strength would help... It does not stack with the bonus granted by magical belts, so what's the point?

I dont know that, well i have my alcoholic and healing potions for Drunk Archetype.

I don't see the point in them being more than 30ft away, unless they want to spend a few rounds drinking potions and stuff... And that is not class feature, just a little profit for the owner of the local Magic Mart.

I think he wanted to drink some potions before attack, but if the Bull Str, dont stack, whats the point. I dont know that cuz i havy a Bellt Of Pshycical Perfection +2 whit my Ranger and i allways drink Dex Potions, i have to said to Red (Our Master), thanks lemmy for the tip.

If a I have 11 DR, the fighter still ignore 5 DR?.
( 10 DR for the acrhetype of Invulnerable Rage and 1 for the Rage Power).

Cuz i had reading his
Greater Penetrating Strike?.

He will ignore 5 cuz i have 10, but if i have 11 he will still ignoring 5 DR?.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/pa izo--- rage-powers/fiend-totem-greater-su

This is Great for TH, it will allowme to do TH in one, all hes character are Neutral, so still works. But i will have to think about.

The thing i have it in mind be or Breaker Barbarian or a Drunk Barbarian, Joaco says thats potions are alowed, but only Healing Potions, Bull Str, and maybe Dex Potion, but nothing to fanzy like invisibile or something like that, he says he want the potions in order to the fight be more longer.
Cuz in any casy the stats that i having so far to my str is this.

Human
Str, 37 (In Rage)
Level 1 Str 16+2 racial+5 (levels)+ 6 Belt+ 8 (Rage) = 37 + 13

So i was planing to wear a GreatSword +5 , Speed, Flaming (Thats is something to see this saturday, but that make a weapon plus 10, so is legal right now XD XD).

So if a counting the damage the thing is so far, like this.
Attack: 44/39/34/29 (I not Counting the Speed of the Sword)

But the thing that matter is the damage, in one hit i can deal 3d6+24, but any case, whit critic or just say that i am one lucky bastard, and deal 4 attacks!, (i just saying). Its gonna be something like this, 12d6+96, (This Attack dont have Power attack, and Vital Strike, or something like that), but any way it would still dealing a very strong deal. (Okey he can do more damage to me, i can do more damage, but this works only for a example.)

But how much is hes Pg?. 20d10 plus i dont know...i just asuming that he will have Toughness and a 16 on Con at the first level, so lets do the maths.
20 (Toughness) +20 (Favorite Class Point) + 60 (3x20 con). so I just thinking that his pg are something like 200 pg, but still. Maybe he hits first and leaving seeing stars, thats why Joaco says, healing potions, allowed!. Okey, well i wild take that chance whit Druken, Potion, attack, potion, attack, XD or somthing like this.
Okey, back to study.

also alcoholic Drinks can helping for intimidate and leaving shaken.

Uhm to many information ...no compute ...no compute!XD....well i was building my Barbarian so far, Tomorrow i will put it so you can see it, good ideas i was seeing, and learn alot about the game. But now i have to study, I have a epistemology exman tomorrow, after that i will put the barbarian build and the sunday i wil posting the results of the fight. This is gonna be fun XD XD

We are gonna star at 120 feet of distance not bow are alowed and potions are alowed, but the potions that Joaco says that he want it are Healing Potions, and maybe one bull str, or some like that, nothgin to fanzy. So Ponce is in my list, and i have time , if a play carefull to make the Terrifying Howl.

And it may not be my business,but i was reading the thread,and i'm a fan of the fighter class so i may be talking on behalf of your adversary; in which case i apologize.

But how much experience of level 20 char both of you have? If your foe has none it is unfair that you ask for a lot of advices from experienced people while he builds his fighter by himself, don't you think? (of course i don't know whether he is asking someone's help too).

nah man, dont you apologize its okey.

I wanted to say combat maneuvers

I will do by the go to way that lemmy say, i wil try build a very CM barbarian for situations like Disarm, Grapple.
I taking all my hopes in Terrifying Howl, hoping that Joaco leave careless his Will Saving throws. Knowing Joaco, in the way he thinks, in think i will build a Two handed fighter, max attack, max damage. So, i in big troubles.

No love for my Chicken Charge tactic? lol

I not too good whit english, so i was trying understand it. XD

At best he can ignore 5 points of Damage Reduction after he spends three feats (one of which he will probably take anyway). It can certainly help but it will take Greater Penetrating Strike to ignore 5 points.

But i want to put Incresed DR (Rage Power), that giveS a DR 5/- more, maiking a total of DR 15/-, in that case the Greater Penetrating Strike is usefull?.

Sorry for no answer eirler, i had to take a exam in the university. T.T

Oh God Alot of recomendeions.........so, the idea i have in mind is that if i wanna make a good work in this fight is using CM against the fighter.
But the idea of Lemmy are very good for me ...
i mean...

My Turn: Full Action attack. Move 5 feets away from the Fighter

His Turn: He Moves to atack, but WAIT! i have Unexpected Strike ...so i have a AoO.

and i was thinking. For more Lethal situation:

My Turn: I active Come and get Me (Free Action), Full Attack, move 5 feets Aways.

His Turn: He moves, again AoO for Unexpected Stike, and when his try to hit me! WAIT another AoO, and if i have Quick Reflexes i have another chance to make an AoO. But, after i will take -4 in AC and +4 en Damage. But Anyways, i mean.....thats are alot of attacks for the Barbarian!.

Uhm Something to say.

The way we play are less whit less fantasy, i mean, we dont like use Rings whit Speells on it, or something like, and like Story Archer says, all the equipement are very basic, stuff enchanted +5 and some hability in special, but nothing to big or fanzy, so i dont Spect that Joaco (My frind how are gonna to Fight this Saturday) use that kind of items, like ring of blinking and cloak of displacement, cuz we are try to see how can we use our habilities class, no how we select the best magic item (I have to clear, that make the right decision about items is very hard for me and very usefull, but maybe thats why aour group dont use too much magic items.)

Story Archer i like the way you build that Barbarian, but some Feats and rage power are from Ultimate Combat, and we are not use that book, we dont used it to play, so we dont used to fight this pvp.
Maybe he use the archetype of Two-handed Fighter, i am in big troubles. I was thinking to use Ground Breaker. I mean for the Difficult Terrain, and the Fighter had to use Full Action to move, he cant attack me, and whit my U.S, Pum attack of oportunity!. (Thats a variable.)

The master dont have it, and we was playing whit out ultimate combat and ultimate magic like six month ago, so we dont use it. XD

and if is in Ultimate Combat is no Allowed

Amen for Lemmy....amen! XD

That actually begs the question, what are the battlefild trules?

By which I mean, at what distance will you be from one another? In which type of terrain? Are potions/wands/scrolls allowed?

How will you guys handle Initiative? Roll? Average? Alternate between you two?

Thats doesnt decided yet, are two alternatives, 1ª Not ranged weapons alowed, and side by side.

2º 30` Of distance, straight line.

I think we are gonna make 2 of 3 rounds, or 3 of 5 depends on us. But i think that we are gonna Alternate the Initiative bewteen rounds.
Explame, first round Fighter begins, Seconds Rounds Barbarian Begins.

True. I'm assuming this PvP is just a fun game experiment between two friends. The Same Game Test would be a better way to measure up two different classes against each other.

Very True, just for fun.

I like the both character, and always play whit the same logic, rol on mind!, but i have a group of playing, that i have to said, just see this game like a computer game....and that thinking is kind a catchy XD ( I hate to said). But, anyway, its only for fun this pvp. I love Barbarian, and they background (Conan Fanatic right here!)It doesnt matter if i loose or win ( although I would love to win XD),but is just for fun. XD

oh come on wraithstrike, dont wish bad luck for the Barbarian XD I know this game dont work whit the logic of PvP, thats for real, but is fun to do it.

Lemmy you give greats ideas....greats ideas! I was thinking...

Unexpected Strike can do wonders. Full Attack, step 5ft from him. When he approaches, AoO.....and whit Come and Get i could make onother AoO (Of Course, -4 to AC and Damage, but whit The Invulnerable Rager i think i can stand one or two rounds whit that.) , but for that i need the Quick Reflexes....for me is pretty nice tatic.

Chengar Qordath why the Breastplate and the bracers dont stack?, bracers dont works whit armor?.

Uhm thats mean the only way i have to face the Fighter is whit try to killing the most fast posibble....crap....i guees i have to use the Titan Mauler archetype.

I really i dont know hoe its gonna be hes Fighter, thats the fun about XD, cuz he dont know how i gonna build my barbarian XD. But i dont think we are gonna use magic items likes invisibility potions, o stuff like thats, just the basics, weapons plus +5 plus any hability (No Vorpal).

Hi, me and one guy of the group who i play Pathfinder always have the same discussion, how is the best class? Barbarian (Me) or The Fighter (He), and always end saying that the best class are the Speellcaster...
LOL anyway, so we decided that we had to make a fight between the two. So, this satudary we are gonna to make one Barbarian level 20 and one Fighter level 20 for one fight....(I know thats maybe very dummy, but its fun for us XD) Anyway, the rules of creation are simple, only use the rules, the feats and the archetype from the CoreBook and the AdvancePlayer, no traits, and use the Purchase System for the caracteristics, only one characteristics must down to 8 (Cuz, how care Int or Wisdon in 10 for a pvp XD), for each object spend only the 25% of 880.000 gp, and thats it. So...any recomendention for a Barbarian kills Fighter? XD I know that maybe a very hard fight, the Fighter is...well....a damage dealer of hell, and they have a very good AC.

I was thinking about the archetyp invulnerable Rage, for the DR, or maybe the Titan Mauler, for the Large change, for more damage. A greatSword +5 whit Speed (+3) and one BreastPlate +5 of Mrithail. of Course, more items, like the Belt of Strength, Amulet of Natural Armor or Maybe breacers of armor (this is very tasty XD), ring of protection, etc.

The Rage Powers that i was thinking are, Come and Get Me, Ground Breaker (i dont know about this, cuz i dont know how affecs the condition of knocked prone.) Increased Damage Reduction , Flesh Wound , Mighty Swing, Guarded Stance. Fiend Totem(For this i have to take the lesser fiend totem rage power) or maybe i should put all the elementas Rage Power...

Any suggestion?

Thanks! i got now

I was reading the rages powers of the Barbarian Come And Get and Quick Reflexes, and it makes think....whit the Come and Get i have one attack of opportunity against one foe that try to hit me, which is resolved prior to resolving each enemy attack.
That I got it....but whit Quick Reflexes, i have one attack of oportunity per round, so, whit thats rage powers i can make 2 attacks of oportunity at same time and the same foe? and whit any -5 to base attack?. I really i dont know...for me is very fishy.