Ezh Darkstrider's page

With great respect, I humbly ask this forum for their views on an old disagreement, volleyed about both playfully and angrily through a few iterations of the game system. I am specifically not presenting our sides, just stating the question as plainly and clearly as possible.

Is there any 'Condition' or situation that NEGATES {disallows} a saving throw for any reason? {RAW and/or RAI, with or without special attention to Reflex saves}

With many Thanks,

Ezh

I think that part of the problem here is that some people are placing too much emphasis on the word 'type'. The quote includes the phrase 'choose one type of weapon...'

I suggest not over-thinking this phrase, but just choose a type of weapon, naturally. Remove from the equation any context of D&D and PF, and just choose one type of weapon.

Do it... right now... Choose a type of weapon.

What did you choose? Did you choose 'all weapons that deal blugeoning damage'? Or did you choose, say, a mace? Probably not the former, as that is actually a 'category of weapons' and not a 'type of weapon'.

I believe that sometimes these sort of tactics are commonly used by rules lawyers {which I, of course, am} for the purpose of taking advantage of the rules and exploiting cracks in an otherwise fine system.

Here is a somewhat unrelated example:

Consider the sentence

'I didn't say he beat his wife.'

Now, consider emphasizing each word in turn, and saying the sentence again.

'I' didn't say he beat his wife.

I DIDN'T say he beat his wife.

I didn't SAY he beat his wife.

I didn't say HE beat his wife.

I didn't say he beat HIS wife.

I didn't say he beat his WIFE.

Note how every time a new word is emphasized, the meaning of the sentence ENTIRELY CHANGES.

So, to get back to the argument:

'CHOOSE one type of weapon'.

Do not 'Choose one TYPE of weapon'.

Keep It Simple, Silly.

Add to this the evidence easily available in the bestiary {i.e. Weapon Focus (Longsword)} and the meaning of the RAW should become clear. If it still remains unclear, go back to Rules Lawyer School. I'll be there, we can do lunch.