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Unless a feat says so you cannot take it more then once. Taking skill focus perform multiple times would have to apply to different perform types. That really isnt neccessary. Pick one primary perform (preferably singing or oratory, where you dont need to rely on having an instrument) and focus in that. If you want to be able to be an archer in combat, you need point blank and precise shot. Untill you get those you will have alot of trouble shooting a bow in combat. You will be able to perfrom effectively from the minute you get a rank in perform, so it isnt as urgent.

I want to take two Skill Focuses for my first two Perform Skills (any time^^). Because with Versatile Performance I can substitute two other Skills. So one Skill Focus pushes three skills! At level six I can substitute the next two skills and this is not to far away. So at least I max out two Perform Skills (lateron maybe three or four). At Level six I will probably have some ranks in this substituted skills (because they are too important to ignore) but with another homebrew rule I can take two ranks to get one extra-bonus. It's nothing spezial, but at least my feeling of completely wasting this ranks disappeared. ; )

That homebrew feat is a good one, if it's allowed I would definately take it. Particularly if your goal is to be the best support character. But depending on how it works it could eat through your perform ability fast. Does it use up double the amount of perform rounds? If so I would wait untill later levels to take it.

It will double up the amount of rounds, so I think you're right. I'll take it at some later level.

OK, but will I take Skill Focus or my first archery Feat at Level 3...?

Damn it, I think I have to go for the two archery Feats at Level three and five. And at level seven I have to decide whether get that homebrew feat or Skill Focus...^^

(Has someone experience with having no combat feats as a parttime-fighter (untill level 7/9)? And I definitely have to fight! Someday I'll run out of Bardic Performances, spells or other stuff, so I have to take my crossbow.^^)

These skill ranks dont go as far as you think. You certainly should try not to stretch your skills too far, particularly since you are the only real skill character in your group. Skill that are opposed, (bluff, Diplomac, Perception, Sense motive in particular) should be maxed. And ofcourse your primary performance type should be maxed. The rest of your skill points you can spread around as you see fit, but make sure you keep the most important ones in max ranks. You dont want to miss the enemies sneaking up you, fail to lie to the town guard, or not notice the merchant is cheating you). In my opinion you are normally better off focusing in a few skills then spreading yourself too think and trying to cover them all.

Er... Ok...^^

My plan was to use three to five of my skill points to max some skills and the rest got to activate unselected class skills... After activating all Class Skills, I will max out some few skills with my nine ranks.
With Versatile Performance I push Diplomacy and Sense Motive and Bardic Knowledge should allow me to put at least one skill rank in each Knowledge Skill time by time. And I really find my skills awesome! My skills, in which I have ranks, are 1x 5, 1x 6, 9x 7, 5x 8 and 1x 10... With level two... : D

And just because feats and skills are static and unchanging doesn't mean you have to plan a build. Believe me, I learned to play with 3.5 and switched to pathfinder. And there is nothing wrong with not planning your build at all. [...]

Woah, that sounds almost unbelievable. =0

But I will think about it. :)

In it's community the "Anti Powergaming Police" says...

But you have to admit, that these people are very very strange...^^

(Although they seem to be popular on the boards.)

Oh no, I've opened an endless discussion once again! Shame on me!

Hi folks, it's me, the Bard. : D

Hey everyone, I'm the Bard in Arthuns group.

I have to say, that I like this new "way of gaming", although it seems difficult to me. I've been playing a German RP (The Black Eye or Das Schwarze Auge, if somebody wants to know) for 15 years (and I'm still playing) and this is a completley different system than the PF/DnD-system is. For example you buy your Feats, Skills and even Ability Points with your XP and you have to buy many more, than in PF. But on the other side it doesn't hurt, if you get a "wrong" feat. You can just buy another one. And you don't waste a "slot". So you don't have to plan your character like you have to in PF and that's the thing I completely have to come along with.

But it's not about the system it's about roleplaying. And I think, that I'm a good player. Nevertheless I want to optimize (oh, what a bad word!) my character in some way, so he can fit in the role I want him to fit and he can act in his role quite good.

That's why I read the guides (Perhaps I should have read them before I made a character but sometimes I'm too slow... *lol*) and I realized, that there are some things experienced PF/DnD-Players won't have done. E.g. taking CHA as highest stat instead of STR or DEX or taking the Extratrait-Feat (I'm perhaps the only person, who takes this... ; ). By now it fits the role I chose for my bard (being the ultimate supporter for the crew^^), but how will this go on?

I have to take some basic archery-Feats (Point-Blank and Precise Shot) to do at least some damage in combat. But when am I supposed to take this. I'm now at level 2. Should I choose the first one with level 3 or could I wait untill level 5 to take this Feats? I'd also like to take Skill Focus (Perform; twice, three times??) or a Feat, which allows me to perform 2 Bardic Performances at the same time.*

Skilling instead seems to be easy: first I try to get one skill rank in every class skill, to get the +3, and then I max some of them. Of course I max my Perform Skills at Level 1.^^
With 9 skill ranks each level this is no big problem.

* This is a home-made Feat, which came up because of this discussion: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/general/archives/theBardWhatThe&page=1&source=search#0
Probably there are some "Powergamers" in this thread, but they mentioned some weird things, like Inspire Greatness or Versatile Performance. (I don't want to discuss the same thing again, because this already lead to some nice argueing in our group, but if anyone has an advice, I'll take it. ; )

@lastknight: Oh oh, I think you migth have a wrong view on our group, because the next "Powergamer" (me) shows up, but we seriously are not. Well in fact I believe so... *g*

PS: Of course I said, I want to rebuild my bard, but I was just kidding. : P

PPS: My English is not the best and to write is more difficult, than to read, so I apologize for that. : )