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Bestiary 1, p 292-293 wrote:

Most special abilities that cause damage, such as breath weapons, give a save (Fortitude, Reflex, or Will depending on the ability). The DC for almost all special abilities is equal to 10 + 1/2 the creature’s Hit Dice + a relevant ability modifier (usually Constitution or Charisma depending on the ability). Special abilities that add to melee and ranged attacks generally do not allow a save, as they rely on the attacks hitting to be useful.

Buried into the rules for creating new monsters. And it says: "The DC for almost all special abilities", so a guideline, not a hard rule.

Hah! Irks me when I can't find even a "guideline" on something like this, so thanks very much for posting a reply.

DukeStefan wrote:

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Usually the DC is 10 + 1/2 hd + con mod.

The bestiary one has ability focus for +2 and a racial +2

Thanks. Out of curiosity, where can I find this rule?

Universal Monster Rules and Animal Companions

As far as I know, there isn't a hard rule of the DC is always = 10 + 1/2 HD + Con, but it's more like a recurring theme or a pattern. Some are DC = 10 + 1/2 HD + Cha, DC = 10 + 1/2 HD + Str, w/e, depending on the ability in question.

Ok thanks, it's nice to know I'm not crazy for not being able to find a rule on how to calculate this.

Usually the DC is 10 + 1/2 hd + con mod.

The bestiary one has ability focus for +2 and a racial +2

Thanks. Out of curiosity, where can I find this rule?

con based save means start at dc 10 and add the skunks constitution modifier, so if it has a 10/11 =0 12/13=+1 14/15+2 etc

I thought the term "con-based" was simply telling me what the DC was based on similar to Bestiary descriptions implying it would be impacted by changes to its con score.

But ok, that makes sense thanks!

Can anyone help me understand what the Fort DC should be for a Giant Skunk animal companion? Ultimate Wilderness just says "Fort save" and "Con-based DC" but no actual DC. The Giant Skunk in Bestiary 3 has a DC of 17 listed. Should I use that?

Wanted to just mention, I'm not sure it's entirely necessary for Erylium to speak common as she has telepathy (touch) and so could have communicated with Nualia using that.