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Drakken97 wrote:

Zapp wrote:

Lesson to the devs:

When you change a forty year old tradition (that Magic Missiles cannot miss), be explicit about the change. Do not merely assume having "clear" rules is enough - people want specific confirmation:

"Yes, we are fully aware how the spell used to work. We confirm that in PF2 there is a deliberate and intentional change that makes Magic Missile subject to targeting rules, including concealment. Thank you."

After such a message, there is no more uncertainty and the confusion should go away.

Yo if you can link where they actually said this.... IT WOULD END ALL OF THE ARGUING

No, I said that let it be a lesson to the devs that they SHOULD HAVE said this.

(Assuming they really did intention MM to suffer a miss chance due to Concealment, of course).

They haven't actually said it, so I can't link it. In fact, had they said it, this thread would probably not exist.

Paizo is starting to run seriously late with their errata and clarifications by now.

My bad. I got excited reading it I must've misread it. I had a player arguing that he could see his target therfore its an automatic hit and I showed him the concealed condition (which was enough for me to say roll a flat check)

Concealed
While you are concealed from a creature, such as in a thick
fog, you are difficult for that creature to see. You can still be observed, but you’re tougher to target. A creature that you’re concealed from must succeed at a DC 5 flat check when targeting you with an attack, spell, or other effect.
Area effects aren’t subject to this flat check. If the check fails, the attack, spell, or effect doesn’t affect you.

You CAN BE OBSERVED but you're TOUGHER TO TARGET... MUST SUCCEED A DC 5 flat check when targeting with an attack, SPELL or other effect.

So yes this condition completely says WITH magic missile which IS NOT an area effect spell that you MUST SUCCEED at a flat check.

Simple Simon

Again sorry for the misread

Lesson to the devs:

When you change a forty year old tradition (that Magic Missiles cannot miss), be explicit about the change. Do not merely assume having "clear" rules is enough - people want specific confirmation:

"Yes, we are fully aware how the spell used to work. We confirm that in PF2 there is a deliberate and intentional change that makes Magic Missile subject to targeting rules, including concealment. Thank you."

After such a message, there is no more uncertainty and the confusion should go away.

Yo if you can link where they actually said this.... IT WOULD END ALL OF THE ARGUING

So read the quotations and I'll present my problem afterwards.

"You must supply raw materials worth at least half the
item’s Price. You always expend at least that amount
of raw materials when you Craft successfully"

"If your attempt to create the item is successful, you expend
the raw materials you supplied. You can pay the remaining
portion of the item’s Price in materials to complete the item
immediately, or you can spend additional downtime days
working on it."

I cannot for the love of role-playing understand that when you roll your check after 4 days and it IS successful (meaning your create the item even though its not technically "completed") and you expend half the items cost in materials, HOW does expending another half of materials (the same amount of materials) complete it immediately and not another 4 days? Sounds like you'd have an awful lot left over.

Example
Say half the items cost in materials is 4 ingots you craft the item over 4 days and with a successful craft check you create the item but to complete it you use 4 more ingots instantly. What? What sense does this make? If the check and days spent determines whether you make the item how does using the SAME AMOUNT of materials complete it instantly?

I'm a logical person and this I cannot make into logical sense. If ANYONE can explain this better than "its a cheap way of saying it either cost you full price to make an item thus making no money on it OR spending many days to create something at half the cost" then PLEASE do.

Just can't seem to wrap my head around this at all.