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Culach wrote:

I think the Oracle has a pretty unique design space that the Sorcerer is unable to fill.

Curses and their affects are interesting enough that they on their own could be worth bringing in Oracles. Imagine that the Blackened Curse still penalizes combat (maybe limiting them to untrained in any weapon proficiency) but they still get a +2 when working with Fire based spells.

Most gods would grant access to the Divine list, but other gods would probably grant access to other lists (Erastil = Primal, Nethys = Arcane, Pharasma = Occult) leading to a different flavor of caster entirely when combined with their curses.

*Edited for clarity

I actually think Curses would fit better as an Archetype (or Archetype like) mechanic. You get a curse that gives a small benefit and a bigger disadvantage, then you can take feats in the future related to the Curse. Not sure why Oracles have to be the only ones who are cursed.


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HWalsh wrote:

I'm sorry... For *you* if you were me, that would be good enough. I'm not you though and that *isn't* good enough.

I'm telling you... I *feel* like, if the Paladin isn't LG as a setting rule, that the Paladin is lesser. It damages my enjoyment of the class to the point that *I will no longer enjoy the class* because part of it, to me, will feel gone.

You're focused on what you can personally do, and that is all you care about. I'm not I don't draw my enjoyment of the class from what I can personally do with it.

If you can play a CG FULL Paladin of Milani, then it doesn't matter that I can play a LG Paladin of Iomedae because the class isn't the same anymore. Something is different and it doesn't feel like a Paladin anymore. It is just a generic holy warrior at that point and that has little to no draw for me.

I'm really excited to make a CG Paladin of Cayden Cailean in Pathfinder 2. The concept appeals to me and I am going to play it. It may be against the rules, but Cayden Cailean has never been big on the rules anyway. I'm sorry if that will ruin your fun, but I imagine you will find a way to enjoy playing a Paladin anyway.