I recommend you take this talk to the Comrades. That said, I have friends and family members who strongly believe in this political philosophy, and they are far from stupid or immoral. You are insulting them, and I don't appreciate that. They believe in a philosophy you disagree with. That doesn't make them stupid, any more than it makes you stupid to disbelieve it. There are many arguments for and against communism, and this isn't the thread for you to derail complaining about it.
Plausible Pseudonym wrote:
I guess it's just a weird coincidence that all communist societies have required secret police, political prisons, mass murders of the preceding political class, a certain degree of ongoing murders of dissidents, and sharp limits on emigration to even minimally function.
If you actually tried to name a communist nation that has done this, a dozen communists would emerge with arguments on where those nations went wrong, or how they weren't really communist, or the underlying factors (famine, war, US interference) that caused them to derail. Kinda like how when I point out that the USA did pretty much all of those things you name, you can argue that the USA simply fell short of the capitalist egalitarian dream. ;)
I point this out not to encourage argument, but to simply balance out the skew in perspectives (as you're taking quite a few potshots in here). If you really wanna hash it out, arrange a cage fight with Doodlebug Anklebiter. I'm just the milquetoast centrist scab. ;D