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As Jason has already mentioned work is beginning on books supporting 2.0 I'm not sure how much time there is going to be by the end of the play test for Paizo to make many major changes to the rules set.

One or two changes, like tweaks to the hotly disliked resonance system may well already be in the pipeline, but I feel that time constraints alone mean what you see is, to a greater extent, going to be what you get.

I personally don't like it. There is nothing I've found in the play test that is better than 1.0. There is different, which runs the gamut of just as good to awful, but no one single thing stands out to me as better than the rules we already have.

There will need to be a lot more changes than I think Paizo can manage for this to hook me.


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I like that, very 13th Warrior if you've seen that movie. Okay it's the bad guys who use the animal style masks in that but it's still cool!


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I'll offer this as a thought. Maybe the problem the Vigilante has to overcome is partially created by the Iconic Vigilante. He's at first glance Batman for fantasy, even the costume echos the Batman Family look he could easily be the next Red Robin.

Now I personally found that amusing and read on, but I can imagine differing types of people who would be put off, annoyed or even outraged by that concept and never really move beyond it to discover there is much more in the class to discover.


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I'm new to Pathfinder but I'm long experienced in RPGs and I'll happily use different versions of spells as I've always done. Picking the version I like best.

For those with very long memories, remember how 2nd edition rushed to change Sepia Snake Sigil? Well I ignored that from the very off and still use the 1st edition version.

It's the same for the party as it is for the NPC's.