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Tumbling in combat isn't all about flippy flippy you missed me, it also involves pushing past your opponent and forcing your way past. Otherwise a twig would stop the tumble check...

Hey which would be easier to tumble past, a cat or a rhinoceros? That rhino is going to kill you... no chance at all. I can roll over the cat!

You seem to have tumbling confused with bull rush. And have never seen a single episode of American Gladiators...

Devo the Sane wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

Ok, here's what I'd replace the Abyssal bloodline claws with:

Abyssal Scream (SU): Starting at 1st level, you can channel some of the abyssal energies in you as a primal scream. As a standard action you can scream at a target up to 30’ away, doing 1d6 points of sonic damage, +1 point per two levels. At 5th level, the target must make a fortitude save or be sickened for 1d4 rounds. At 7th level, the damage increases by one step to 1d8 points of damage. At 11th level, the scream affects a 30’ cone rather than one target. This is a supernatural ability.

I think this is a bit too powerful. I'm always careful with sonic powers, due to the fact that almost nothing a typical adventure includes is resistant or immune to it.

But looking at Abyssal claws, minus other bonuses it does a max of 14 damage to one creature. Six is fire which can be negated. It's also in melee only. AT 11th level your new power does a max of 13 from range to multiple targets and sickens them.

That's a pretty big boost.

Your maximum damage for the claws isn't quite right. You get two attacks with the claws, meaning that you have the possibility of 2 hits a round. The sonic damage also can't be boosted beyond what the power provides, the claws could have the pathfinder arcane strike added on, plus strength bonuses. The claws can also critical which this power can't do, so all in all not so much more than what first glance might indicate.

Yeah, I should have added in that there are two claw attacks. Of course, being a sorc you probably won't hit with either one (I know the sorc I am playing can't hit a barn with a claw attack). The scream doesn't list an attack roll (or it could crit) or a saving throw, so it's guaranteed damage. I'm not with my books right now, but I'm pretty sure I could find ways to jack up the damage on the scream, and yes, it is much easier to jack up damage on the claws, but what sorc is going to waste feats on it?

If you really want to test balance, ask 10 unbiased players which they would rather have, for sheer usefulness (lots of RP reasons to want claws). Nine of them will like your way best and the tenth is a manga sucking moron.

If the two were balanced, the split would be more like 5 and 5 or 4 and 6.

Ok, here's what I'd replace the Abyssal bloodline claws with:

Abyssal Scream (SU): Starting at 1st level, you can channel some of the abyssal energies in you as a primal scream. As a standard action you can scream at a target up to 30’ away, doing 1d6 points of sonic damage, +1 point per two levels. At 5th level, the target must make a fortitude save or be sickened for 1d4 rounds. At 7th level, the damage increases by one step to 1d8 points of damage. At 11th level, the scream affects a 30’ cone rather than one target. This is a supernatural ability.

I think this is a bit too powerful. I'm always careful with sonic powers, due to the fact that almost nothing a typical adventure includes is resistant or immune to it.

But looking at Abyssal claws, minus other bonuses it does a max of 14 damage to one creature. Six is fire which can be negated. It's also in melee only. AT 11th level your new power does a max of 13 from range to multiple targets and sickens them.

That's a pretty big boost.

Initial glance, I like it.

I'd lower the claw ray down to 1d3+ just because it's a force effect.

I like it too. Of course, that probably means it's better than the bloodlines that exist now. Seems like they all have one or two things that make me go bleh.

It certainly works that way for Trip attempts (and strangely enough, grapple, which isn't affected by iterative penalties), but NOt for disarm attempts. A disarm check is made using whatever attack bonus you have at the time, so if you use your last iterative attack, you WILL lose that disarm check, and then the opponent gets to try to disarm YOU...at his highest BAB.

So kids, when trying to disarm, always attempt it on your FIRST attack. And hey, if it succeeds, you can end your attack and use a move action to pick up the opponent's weapon. They don't threaten you anymore unless they have Improved Unarmed Strike.

I assume you were still talking about 3rd ed.

My point was that the new system is messed up. I'm not saying the old system wasn't. But with a few (and I do mean few) feats, I can easily disarm several times a round at huge bonuses, from range, and toss weapons 15 feet away from the victims.

Back to the original question, kind of...

If a wizard is enchanting his own bonded item, doesn't he immediately claim this 30% discount?

Item Requires Specific Class or Alignment to Use: Even more
restrictive than requiring a skill, this limitation cuts the cost
by 30%.

Not only does it require a wizard to use it, it requires a specific wizard to use it. The argument could be made that it should qualify for an even bigger discount. Say 50%?

We treat it as a Pearl of Power of what ever level you want. That means that your interpretation is the one we are using. If you prepped it and cast it you can use the object to recall it and cast it again. The arcane bloodline Sorcerer can use it to cast 1 spell/day from any 1 level after that level of spells are exhausted.

Not being snotty or anything, but is there a reason you think the spell has to be cast before you can use the bonded item to cast it?

Ok, I admit, I'm having too much fun with this, and I apologize if I have missed something, but...

FIGHTER Level 1 "Ursord Ismine"

Human

STR 10
DEX 18
CON 14
INT 13
WIS and CHA equal to whatever...

FEATS:
1st level: Agile Maneuvers
Human: Combat Expertise
Fighter Bonus Feat: Improved Disarm

Now comes the fun part. We give him two sai. It's ok he doesn't know which end is up, cause we gave him two!!

BAB=1
CMB=1 (5 with agile maneuvers!)

Moral of the story? his attacks are at -8/-12 once you factor in non-proficiency and dual wielding. So a naked villager with with no dex bonus is more than he can handle most of the time.

BUT!!!!

He gets two attempts to disarm at...let me think...+11!!!!!

For sport, at level two we'll give him Combat Reflexes and maybe switch his weapon to something with reach like a spiked chain. LOL.

Ok, so I found this thread:

http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/feedback/alpha3/combatMagic/combatManeuvers

It says that you don't add any bonuses to the roll, so yes, you should always use your suckiest attacks, no, it's not usually going to work, and oddly, magic weapons, Weapon Focus, and Weapon Finesse have no affect on Combat Maneuvers at all.

I'm confused on this as well.

When you perform a combat maneuver, make an attack

roll and add your CMB to the result plus any bonuses you
might have due to specific feats or abilities.

Does this mean roll a d20 with all your normal bonuses and then add your CMB? Or do you roll a d20 and add just your CMB? Basically, do your strength and BAB count twice?

If you get all your normal bonuses then Agile Maneuvers and Weapon Finesse would both matter, because Agile maneuvers only affects the CMB, and Weapon Finesse only affects the attack roll.

3rd level Fighter with 18 Dex, 16 Str, using a rapier, rolls a 10 on a d20 to perform a disarm:

CMB (BAB 3 + Str 3 + Size 0) + attack roll (10 + Str 3 + BAB 3)= 22

Now with Weapon Finesse:

CMB (BAB 3 + Str 3 + Size 0) + attack roll (10 + Dex 4 + BAB 3)= 23

Now with Weapon Finesse and Agile Maneuvers:

CMB (BAB 3 + Dex 4 + Size 0) + attack roll (10 + Dex 4 + BAB 3)= 24

Of course if you don't get all your normal bonuses on the attack roll, weapon finesse has no affect at all.

I would love some clarification here. I don't think I'll be attempting many Combat Maneuvers if bonuses don't add to the attack roll. If the target number is 15 + the opponent's CMB, then a first level fighter will only successfully disarm a 1st level wizard about half the time.

I think.

There is only one way to fix this class.

DELETE IT.

It is, always has been, and always will be the stupidest thing in gaming since letting elves auto-detect secret doors. If you could be a multi classed fighter/rogue/wizard just by running around from place to place, every caravan driver, messenger and outlaw would be one. It's just retarded.

This is how it plays out:

Orgon, the dwarven barbarian swings his nicked and bloodied axe one final time, finishing off the last of the dark cultist of Bane. He surveys the room as he falls to one knee, battered, bleeding and exhausted. His friends Maylee the wizard and Lovar, cleric of Torm, lay dead in the corner. He begins to say a silent prayer...

What the hell is that noise?

His prayer interrupted, he turns to look behind him. Dingleberry the bard is still playing his f'ing lute! Orgon's rage gives him one last burst of energy and he cleaves the little twit in two before collapsing on the ground.

Yeah, I'll take my fantasy with a little more hetero, thanks.

Multi-classing is not fine. Personal opinion aside, one cannot make a fighter-mage as is without being seriously lower in power than the straight classes. This. Is. Not. Fine.

I totally disagree. I for one have no interest in a game where you can "have it all." Specializing in one field should make you better at it, period.

If you want uber powerful characters, might I suggest 4th ed?