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A bit Tian Xia Stuff. Hardcover would be nice but not on the top, rather more on the boom of my List, as I know that you got more important stuff for the 2 HC / year.

What I crave is Adventures set in Tian Xia and a few more Backgound Books besides the two that are already out. (Those give a good overview, but something more spezialized, like a book covering the major kingdoms a bit more, especially Goka).

All in all, Adventures, Adventures and if you guys feel up to it an Adventure Path soley playing in Tian Xia.

Well, and if you have some more time and free time, then I'll take the HC. ;-)

I our campaign, the GM allowed me to build a Cavalier Order/Army. Since my Character has a Hippogriff as special mount, and we have an Exotic Craftsman who deals in such critters, these cavaliers are allowed to have them as animal companions. (Same would be for an Army of Paladins, in regards of their Divine Bond with a steed).

When I was GMing the Council of Thieves AP I allowed the player special mounts in form of giant riding lizards.

I think you can make up any kind of special mount that you like, but you should keep in mind the climate and available terrain, as well es game balance.

I am a player, and currently we are in the Blood for Blood installment. Since we have not finished the whole AP, I am unable do judge the complete thing. But here are my few thoughts on the campaign so far:

- being able to play in politics: This is a fun aspect, although it might stand and fall with your fellow Players. So far, politics is limited to building your Kingdom, and maybe acting on any outside influences, such as the threat from a neighboring Kingdom.

The only thing that I had hoped for in this aspect is doing a little more "internal politics" that go beyond "where will we build what next".

I had hoped to roleplay a little more internal politics with/against my fellow Players, like secretly building a "private army" that is stronger than theirs, buying and selling favors, etc. (short: internal powerplay on the political stage)

- Sandbox playing mode

- No time limit for building the Kingdom (we are in our 4th game-year)

Dislikes:

- Army design rules: leaves not much options for "a bit more realistic" strategy and tactics on how to incorporate specific troops

- Battles are to abstract, here again, I had hoped for a the chance of being able to bring in my own strategy and tactics (I am not a wargamer, but bit more allowance for Player flexibility would be nice)

- Silly complaints, demands and sidequests brought to the rulers by their citizens, such as "a boar ran away with my spear: you rulers must bring it back, Or: "I want to cook a feast and I need some eels. You rulers, could you go fishing for me?" And of course: "I need to have some berries picked; you rulers surely can do that for me!" Gaaaaaahhhh!!!

But all in all, so far it has been fun.

Nevynxxx wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

We'll eventually HAVE to reprint the hardcover Pathfinder Campaign Setting, and when we do, we pretty much HAVE to update it to the new game. We're trying to figure out how best to handle a reprinting of the book and how that impacts folks who've already bought the 3.5 version, and it's a situation with a lot of complex problems, and we don't yet have solutions to them. Keep an eye out at paizo.com, though; when we DO figure it out, all will be revealed there.

PLEASE, don't call it something slightly different, put some extra crunch in it, and release it as a "complementary" book.... :)

What if we call it the exact same thing, put some extra crunch in it, and release it as a new edition of the book?

The problem is that there are several (not many, but several) pages of the book that are no longer necessary in the Pathfinder rules (the reprinted SRD cleric domains come to mind, as does the Pathfinder Chronicler class which is now a part of the core game), as well as some other content that's just "filler" that could be excised to make better use of the pages (such as the four random sample NPCs in the back). Furthermore, I DO think that a campaign setting book needs more crunch than the current one has—we went light on the crunch because we knew we were in the twilight years of the current system and at the time we were building the book, we didn't have the final rules for the Pathfinder RPG to work off of.

That said, I can certainly see how folks would be annoyed at the implication that we're trying to re-sell them a book that they've already purchased, only this time with 20% new material. Unfortunately, I'm growing increasingly convinced that we won't have any other options but to run the risk of annoying some people in this way.

Anyway, we're working on it, and hopefully we'll discover a way to make most folks happy! I'm sure we won't be able to make EVERYONE happy, alas...

Well James, you can count me among those who would gladly purchase a New and updated Version. After all. now that the core Rules are in the shelves, A new version would really be appreciated. After all, it will be the main Guide to Golarion for many years to come.

George

Just wanted to second my dislike of 'gish' as a term. In a perfect world, I'd also like to see a moratorium on 'nerf' and 'gimp'

Heck, I'd also love to see people actually <gasp> spell out words when they type instead of doing the LOL thing - it took me a couple minutes to part the mist and figure out that EK was Eldritch Knight for example.

Oh well, I can dream

Ahh, a kindred soul at last! I'm with you, my friend. Maybe someone can post a guide to all the abbreviations so that people like us don't have to google them anymore.

I decided to only, or mostly, use the PF Stuff. Only exception being the 3.5 Monster Manual(s). And now, as the Bestiary has hit my shelf, I most likly will use that one only.

george

I had deeply considered a "non-chaotic" alignment restriction for the cavalier, but left it out to keep things flexible. I could easily see an order of the dragon cavalier not being particularly lawful, the question is whether or not he is chaotic.

Thoughts?

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Well, my first thought (in regards of the chaotic alignment) was: NOOOO WAYYY.

But then I had my "1st Ed Cavalier involving Campaigns" run through my mind. After a more or less short playing period Cavaliers where called "Lawfull Stupid". (for reasons true and false).

I do think that a cavalier can be chaotic. Plenty of acceptable reasons have been mentioned in the above posts, most, if not all valid, be the pro or contra.

But I think the chaotic alignment gives a player more options fore roleplay. It does not matter if chaotic or lawful, what will be important are the Cavalier sticking to its organizations own "rules, articles, bylaws constitution" etc.

If, or if not an order of the dragon cavalier should be lawful or Chaotic would depend on the Dragon-Alignment if at all, why should a good paladin not be part of a dragon-society who also worship chaotic evil dragons because of their abilities, strength, power....?

my opinion, let the players pick if chaotic or lawfull...more fun for players and GM alike.

George

In the previous three rounds you decided the main hook, how many moons it would have, and how many years have passed since the Death and Rebirth of the world. You also submitted New Gods, and new places.

How many other worlds are in this solar system?

#1: Zero
#2: 1
#3: 2
#4: 3
#5: 4
#6: 5
#7: 6
#8: 7
#9: 8
#10: 9 or more…

Is it just the New World circling the Sun, or are there other worlds in this solar system?

Also, I would like submissions of magical artifacts and/or items. Here is an example:

THE HAMMER OF REMMAH
Remmah was the Old God of artisans and blacksmiths. He fought on the side of the Light, and he died with his fellow gods in the Final Battle. HOWEVER, his hammer survived intact. For centuries it was floating among the other debris of the Old World in the King's Crown. Recently, it was drawn (for unknown reasons) back to the New World.

At first glance it appears like an old, worn hammer that a blacksmith would use make weapons. However, if it is picked up, it is magically transformed into a beautiful, jeweled and gold plated hammer. It has many powers, such as the ability to shatter any object it strikes, and when thrown it returns to the thrower.

However, it also has a major drawback to whoever holds it, because the hammer is tied to the Old God Remmah, and his soul lives inside it.

#2, just one world

concerro wrote:

The days of cross-class skills, and paying two ranks for one skill point ended with Pathfinder. All skill ranks now cost 1 for 1, whether its a class skill or not.

So why have class skills at all?

As for class dipping, it's an option, but you'd be losing out on your final level's awesome finisher ability. Even more so if you'd planned on taking another class, or even a PrC.

For me as DM, I hate dipping. It disrupts balance at 1st to 3rd level. I am thinking about to only allow dual-classing if a minimum of 3rd level is taken, with no greater difference between classes then 2 or 3, thought that this might be a step back to 2nd or 3rd Edition.

I suggest bringing the book to a copy shop. There have various different ways of binding a book (at least the better/bigger ones do).

But, if you want your books to look rather nice, fit well onto your shelf (and look "even" with your other Pathfinder books, I suggest bringing the book to a professional bookbinder.

Since that might not be as inexpensive as having it done with a copy shop, the binding will be sturdy, and as good as new. As in regards to the price, it might be a good idea to have them bind a few books together into a new, one-volume-edition. This process will, unfortunately, place the regular cover inside of a new cover (I believe).

I'll go for the Wizard generalist, I like the variety of spells (and don't care much for any restriction in schools).

As for the poll, 78% (230+) of the votes are from the 26-45 age range. I am very interested in learning the age when people first started playing Pathfinder, so this will be the subject of a new future poll.

Unfortunately I noticed this poll to late. I myself fit well into that 26-45 range (my birthday will be in December, so.. thanks for having that poll now, otherwise I would have moved up to the next range).

I do not agree with the results, I am not sure if they are correct. The result of the poll only show that the majority of people are in the mentioned rage who visit this website (and partook in the poll)as well as play PF.

As for the above quote: (learning the age when people first started playing Pathfinder, )

If the question is when one started playing Pathfinder, the majority of answers would be in the same range, since the Pathfinder as a Game (including the Alpha Version) ain't that old as to make a significant difference.

The better question (in my humble opinion) would be "when did one start playing Roleplaying Games / D&D/AD&D".

As for me, I started playing in High School, somewhere in October 1979, my Starting Game being AD&D (the Module A1 Slave Pits of the Undercity (from the Scourge of the Slavelords Series)). My first Character was that pre-generated Character by the Name of Bloodgett (male Halfling Thief).

Geeee... Its my aniversary.. or it will be somewhere this month...

I wonder If I qualify for some cookies?

A. Pathfinder; though I usually have to explain that it is based on D&D

Devlin 'Dusk' Valerian wrote:

Moriartty wrote:

He may be lazy, inexperienced, or not have the time to do much beyond basic game prep. Two of these reasons I cannot fault. The third suggests the DM should really be a player instead of a DM. A good DM will let some minor points become big points. Some will let them remain minor points. Variety and gentle prodding can go a long way to make things more enjoyable and less predictable.

Interesting point....you got to be kidding if your saying that any DM that has no time to go over a "purchased" module or AP should not be a DM but a player.

I have been reading this thread for a while, staying neutral. But that just blows my top off. I have been playing (A)D&D since 1979, and started GMing in the mid 80s of the last century. If you are implying that people (GMs) who don"t have enough time to "perfect" any "GAME" because they have a full time job, kids and other commitments out here in the real world, should better not Gamemaster any Games, than here is a piece of advice to your Gamemaster: Take Money from your players for all the work you (the GM) have put into the campaign, cause it seems there are people in your group who don't seem to appreciate you, or the small amount or big amount of your spare time that you invest in your campaign so that players like Moriartty can have fun.

My bad. When I wrote that I assumed it would be obvious which ones I meant. I excuse an inexperienced or a busy DM. A LAZY DM though in my opinion should be a player and not a DM. I say this because a lazy DM probably has the wrong mindset or attitude to be a DM.

My apologies if I wrote that badly.

Well, maybe I misunderstood your meaning. Nevertheless, thanks for the clarification. (apology accepted and at the same time asked for, for misinterpreting your statement)- As for the LAZY DMs.... I am with you.

In regards to the inexperienced DMs... they should go on DMing, for only by experience one will learn!

My suggestion to any inexperienced (or unsure ones): ask feed from your players...and try taking that feedback to heart. I have not met one DM who id not have to learn from experience, nor have I met one who has been born to the task.
joerg

Aroden is dead.

This is official. It's a KEY part of the campaign's flavor and history, and it's not something that we're going to "reverse" or cheat out of. He's dead.

As for HOW he died... for internal consistency, we have the reasons decided on in-house so that we can be consistent in how those reasons ripple things along, so if we ever DO reveal how he died, that revelation will mesh with everything we've done. At this point, we've no plans to ever reveal how he died, though.

OK, his physical self died.... but he must have taken his place in the pantheon...? otherwise how do his clerics get their spells, they do get spells don't they? And if Arodens Clerics are granted spells (from him), he cant be REALLLLY dead? Or am I mistake?

I did print the whole book. It took about 3.5 hours to 4 hours (including pictures. I did not do so at home but a friend did so from his office 8he owns a Game Store) (thanks Dude, for time, ink (ok...no ink used with that laser printer...) for the time, and good will))

so, to make a long message short... you'll need some time and about 600 pages of paper (as well as a rather fast working computer; I dont wont to immagine the time I would have spend doing that print job at home. Especially since my printer only store a max of 25 pages,and the ink cartridge not being build/sized for 575 pages9....

He may be lazy, inexperienced, or not have the time to do much beyond basic game prep. Two of these reasons I cannot fault. The third suggests the DM should really be a player instead of a DM. A good DM will let some minor points become big points. Some will let them remain minor points. Variety and gentle prodding can go a long way to make things more enjoyable and less predictable.

Interesting point....you got to be kidding if your saying that any DM that has no time to go over a "purchased" module or AP should not be a DM but a player.

I have been reading this thread for a while, staying neutral. But that just blows my top off. I have been playing (A)D&D since 1979, and started GMing in the mid 80s of the last century. If you are implying that people (GMs) who don"t have enough time to "perfect" any "GAME" because they have a full time job, kids and other commitments out here in the real world, should better not Gamemaster any Games, than here is a piece of advice to your Gamemaster: Take Money from your players for all the work you (the GM) have put into the campaign, cause it seems there are people in your group who don't seem to appreciate you, or the small amount or big amount of your spare time that you invest in your campaign so that players like Moriartty can have fun.

Well, just think about history in the real world:

Hitler ruled Germany for 12 years and only the allies fighting in WWII stopped him. (I don' want to imagine our word if they didn't).

Idi Amin ruled for 9 years, from 1971 till 1979, and no one stopped him (and it has been said that he was a cannibal)

Stalin ruled from 1922 till 1953 and if he would not have died, he would have kept ruling......

.....just to name a few.

It ain't easy to defeat evil.

I'd like it to not use hit points.

I'd prefer it was classless.

I'd like the designers to not worry about interclass balance and make magic using characters special and rare.

I'd like hardly any demihumans.

So,.....what would you like?

If magic using characters are rare, which play shall play one if 3 want to at the same time?

Classless....please explain...

What about those players that like to play a demihuman??

This sounds more like chess to me.

So that's a no since I got mine from a store?

Unfortunately yes, it is a no for the reason you mentioned. On the Other hand, you can still buy the PDF from Paizo for 10 bucks, which ain't that expensive.

If you do want free PDF (for any other products which will be released in the future), you'll need to subscribe to that line. i.e. Subscribe now to the PF Roleplaying Game, starting with the Bestiary for example, and you'll receive the free Bestiary along with the book (as well as any following books of that line, as long as the subscription is not canceled).

I would buy it, with or without errata. I would even pay the 40 bucks for postage to Germany!

Thod wrote:

Tim Franklin wrote:

I have also sent Amazon a roasting about a) ordering enough to meet pre-orders, and b) sending *actual* expected dates when orders slip, not just repeated $NOW+2-weeks :(

Hey - for a day I got expected date = yesterday. Hmm - wait a moment - checked today and they corrected it back to next week ...

Chances to get books in the UK prior to second printing get slimmer by the minute. At least I did the favour to new customers not frequenting these boards and added a warning in the review (which othervice was very positive).

Thod

Yeah I've been bumped to Oct 7 in my latest email... bah.

Anyone forsee the same thing happening with the Bestiary? Could be xmas before we actually can run the game with hands on books and everything!

Cudos to the above posters for the Amazon grilling and review warning... off to sharpen my own virtual pen...

Postage (to Europe) with the Bestiary is not rthat high as it was with the Core Rules, so I subscribed the RPG Line.

As much as I like to order Novels with Amazone (much wider range on stock than my regular Store), I will not again order any RPGs with them .

Well it's my first post here so... Hi!

I heard Paizo let you download the PDF of their products for free when you buy the Hardcover. I thought it was a nice idea, and tried to get the PDF but couldn't find how. Seeing as I brought the book in a retail store near me, I'm kind of worried I can't get the PDF anymore without paying for the Hardcover again.

Anyone knows if I can still get the PDF and if so, how?

You'll get a free PDF of any PAIZO published book if you purchase that book through one of the subscription lines.

Our local gaming club is considering purchasing both the physical and pdf copy of Pathfinder RPG to be available for our members to check out and use periodically. So before we do this we weren't sure if it was legal to own a single copy of the pdf for example and have that be open to all members of the club or not.

Thoughts?

-concerned fan

I don't think that this would spell a problem with Paizo, as long as no duplicates are sold or placed for download (anywhere). (See other posts on this site regarding the distribution of copied pdf print outs to players of ones group).

To be on the safe side (in order to prevent misuse) I would not allow a printed pdf to be taken home, at least not as a whole). It might be debatable if one should give away segments (all pages regarding one or two specific classes...in order to make a character at home)....

But to be on the sure side.... only take official statements of the owner (Paizo) for granted.

But........A PDF costs only 10 bucks...........

Be a nice Gaming Club, and have your members buy those PDf individually .....That way the club (as an entity) will not be made reliable for any misuse AND you will help your favorite publisher.

10$ ain't that expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (2 visits less at McD or other fast Food temples)

The majority (approx) 80-90% require a double class Character.

I would appreciate more prestige classes that can be taken with a single class character (even if that means at a later xp-level)

What do I love about them....

1) They are friendly.....(as one should have the right to expect)....so that's not the big thing....(But gladly and thankfully appreciated and therefore gladly made use of, especially since most customer services 8I have experience with) are only friendly in a superficial way)

2) Fast, CUSTOMER-ORIENTED, and RELIABLE

3)Great guys and gals

4) Loved

5) People I like to have the chance to treat (gladly) for a beer (you guys have enough pizza)

In a short statement:......"They ARE a REAL Customer Service"

This b.....beer I drink to your health (but than again....I'll drink to anything.....) ;)

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If you are talking about a Pathfinder Movie, you are missing some of the most important parts.

Who would play these important characters ...

Lisa Stevens
Eric Mona
Vic Wertz
Jeff Alvarez
James Davis
Joshua J. Frost
Dave Erickson
Chris Self
Gary Teter
Jeff Strand
Cosmo Eisele
Alison McKenzie

James Jacobs - though he could be C.G.I.
Jason Bulmahn
F. Wesley Schnieder
Sean K. Reynolds
James L. Sutter
Christopher Carey
Sarah Robinson

Hmmm ... :D

Ohhhh yeah, I can go with this....Might make a good Dead Gentleman production (see The Gamers; The Gamers II, Dorkness rising)

ChrisRevocateur wrote:

Devlin 'Dusk' Valerian wrote:

And then there are those "FLGS" who are not contend with the regular cover price, who find or invent means or reasons to add a little bit more to the final price (shipping as example). If asked why, the explain that their ordering of your specifically wished for product involved additional shipping costs due to the reason that their regular Retailer does not stock your product. Thus he had to order it separately with someone else.......

Funny. My FLGS gives a discount if he has to order it for you and you pay up front. If you order it then pay once it gets there, it's still normal price though.

Sorry if there is a misunderstanding. I ain't saying that all FLGS (or a majority) that charge more than the cover price. I am saying though that out of my personal experience, there are a few who do. (Especially Stores outside of the USA (in my case Germany), I have stumbled across 3 Stores who charge between 3.5 $ up to 50 $ above the over price. YES, there is one store that really is charging 112 US $ (one hundred and twelve )for the PFRPG. (I assume they held their copies back, ever since it was known that the first print run has been sold out way before the official release date).

See here:

http://www.fanen.com/allgemeines/s-317_1138_-1_-1/katalog/1747375116/pathfi nder-rpg.html

(OK, seems like that 112 US dollar (or 80 Euro) is not their regular price. In the Text they inform us that the November print run will "only cost 50 Euro (or 70 US Dollar). THAT is still 20 US Dollar above the regular price. Most stores offer the book at the regular price of 40 Euro (or 56 US Dollar).

Devlin 'Dusk' Valerian wrote:

And then there are those "FLGS" who are not contend with the regular cover price, who find or invent means or reasons to add a little bit more to the final price (shipping as example). If asked why, the explain that their ordering of your specifically wished for product involved additional shipping costs due to the reason that their regular Retailer does not stock your product. Thus he had to order it separately with someone else.......

Funny. My FLGS gives a discount if he has to order it for you and you pay up front. If you order it then pay once it gets there, it's still normal price though.

Sorry if there is a misunderstanding. I ain't saying that all FLGS (or a majority) that charge more than the cover price. I am saying though that out of my personal experience, there are a few who do. (Especially Stores outside of the USA (in my case Germany), I have stumbled across 3 Stores who charge between 3.5 $ up to 50 $ above the over price. YES, there is one store that really is charging 112 US $ (one hundred and twelve )for the PFRPG. (I assume they held their copies back, ever since it was known that the first print run has been sold out way before the official release date).

If the gaming stores don't have any incentive to carry the books, a lot of people will NEVER hear about Pathfinder. Pathfinder is a great system that many people will never come to know if it is not readily available in hobby/gaming stores.

I concede that my above conclusion is the result of one anecdotal interaction with a clerk at my local gaming store, but it does make me wonder if availability in gaming stores is an issue and if Pathfinder is missing some customers by not being on the shelves.

This is not quite true. As an 30 year gamer, who had to run from store to store to store (if there have been that many in my vicinity), as well as a person who worked in a Hobby Store ( an finally owning my own)here is my two cents worth:

1: Most games (and that is true especially for new games that are published by a non-major company), are seldomly stocked in Gaming Stores except by constant demand of a few enthusiasts (and then only if they explicitly order or subscribe to that new Game). If one gets lucky there might be one or two copies on stock (for trial), and then there are usually no supporting products except if (again) explicitly demanded. Usually Hobby Stores only order a Game Line if they can be sure that it will sell at least on a mediocre level. (Vampire, and the other White Wolf Products being an exception, but only due to the reason that there was an almost instant demand due to the Ann Rice Novels). Stores tend to be wary of new products, for there is no knowing on how many Customers might be interested in them or are willing to actually buy them. Also, the staff usually does not promote them unless the game or the company is well known (meaning: The Company has been present during Conventions or exhibitions, and then with a big, glorious stand, or is well known and in business for at least 10 years and has published at least mediocre selling products before).

I myself have collected over 260 RPG Core Rules over the last 20 years (last official count has been 10 years ago) and while there are a lot more than that on the market now (or have been), only about 10 can be named "sellers", including (A)D&D, Vampire (including off-spins like Werewolf and co), Shadowrun, Battletech (the Table Top, not the RPG), Gurps, Warhammer FRP, Rolemaster, Merp, (and in Germany DSA (Das schwarze Auge = "The black Eye) and Midgard) (Not in that sequence). Other good Games, who did not have a chance to attract much attention, if only for the reason that they have been published by smaller, less known companies, or for the reason that most stores did not stock, or promote them, (stores seldomly promote games of smaller companies due to the time and work (as well as risk) involved. Keep in mind that promoting an RPG by hosting Gaming Nights is not as rewarding as promoting TableTop Games such as Warhammer Fantasy Battle (or 40K) as well as Battletech, due to the reason that a Group of Gamers who play an RPG do not attrack as much attention as any Table Top Wargame (as, for example, Warhammer Battle) does. Observers will have a hard time to judge a RPG by "listening" to others play, whereas TableTop Games offer a visual input by way of painted miniatures, especially if there are lots of them).

Anyway, anyone who is not a subscriber will pay more than the price one might pay in a Hobby Store due to shipping cost. So he could buy his books with a local Hobby Store if the product is in stock. Why dont they? `cause they are not willing to wait weeks untill the Hobby Store places its next order with their supplier, and then having to hope that this supplier has that specific game in stock. Any (Direct) Subscriber does get a discount (in this case from PAIZO; I dont know if others offer similar conditions), but this should be seen as a reward for being a loyal customer who in addition helps figuring on how many books might be an good idea to print or not to print. What keeps those Hobby Stores to offer a similar discount to their loyal customers who subscribe to a product or product line? And here again, How long do I have to wait, because that store again will add my subscription to his order when he is going to do his main order himself.

And then there are those "FLGS" who are not contend with the regular cover price, who find or invent means or reasons to add a little bit more to the final price (shipping as example). If asked why, the explain that their ordering of your specifically wished for product involved additional shipping costs due to the reason that their regular Retailer does not stock your product. Thus he had to order it separately with someone else.......

Keep one more thing in mind, as pro-argument for Paizo's Online Store:

Without that option and the fans and the data that Paizo coul collect from their site, the print run of the PFRPG would probably be much smaller than it was. Also, I doubt any subscribing customer of Paizo would welcome any reduction of the rebate offered only to accommodate Hobby Stores which are not in their vicinity anyway. Also keep in mind that Amazon is selling PAIZO Products at a price that is incredibly low. (The PFRPG costs way less with Amazon Germany/UK than any Hobby Shop located in Germany would be able or willing to offer (difference of 5 - 15 Euro, depnding on local price ranges). If Paizo is no more willing to sell to them (due to their prices in comparison to the prices regular stores (have) to offer), then they would loose a big customer. If they cut the discount that they offer to their subscribers (who probably would not subscribe if a LFGS was in their vicinity who stock their Game (enough to meet most demands), than they might be hard pressed to explain why, with the result that these people most likely turn to amazon. So no matter how you put it, your FLGS will loose that bidding game. Only way arround, they have to offer perfect service by explaining the specialties of any game that they sell, and offer a faster and better ordering service than most do. After all, there is always a reason why customers turn away from them and toward online shops.

Any one of you people who have read this post till here, thanks for bearing with me and my rumbling thoughts.

Jörg

Damn, that post has been eaten by the Troll twice now....

Clinton Boomer wrote:

... also: James, you work too darn hard. Spending a Saturday editing my turnover of 'Infernal Syndrome' and also posting here? Get yourself a Snickers or something, man!

Mmm... snickers...

And thankfully, while it is work, it's FUN work! It's not like I'm mowing someone's lawn or chopping wood all day...

mowing the lawn, chopping wood, cleaning the house, doing the laundry, putting new wallpapers up, cleaning the garage............Hellfire, I knew I have forgotten something.....is that the handle of the mower showing just above the top of the lawn.... ahmmm .....wilderness???

Hope no high level Gobbos hide there!

Yeah, aasimar aren't a protected race.

I guess that this must be reported to the UN Human Rights Council......on the other hand I am not sure if the Human Rights Council is the right place to address the protection of the aasimar race???? maybe the WWF?

I just lost a longish post I was writing, so I´ll keep it short this time: I think the rules cause problems with high-level play:

- not enough variation in challenges (dragons and extraplanar for the most part)
- too complex handling of challenges (hour-long dice rolling)
- convoluted stat blocks eating up too much space

Stefan

I can't really agree with the above. The argument that there are not enough variations in challenges seems to me like an excuse.

The first thing that comes into my mind as one variation of a challenge is the possibility of political challenges. This offers a lot of options.

Politics:

- defeat the opponent on the political platform by regular means (programs, alliances, etc)

- have him assassinated

- frame him

- discover the skeletons in his basement and make them public

- have him kidnapped and sold into slavery to a place far far away

The above leaves many more options, just take a deeper look at real world politics all over the world and times. Although, some decisions might lead to Alignment changes.

Fighting of "regular" bad guys in battle:

The opponent do not need to be out of any Monster Manual. There is always the option that they are of any kind of regular 11 Character Classes (plus Prestige Class options) and Races out of the Core Rules (and a few races out of the Monster Book - Tieflings, Half-Orcs, Giants, Ogres or even a high level Orc or Goblin (OK, that might be a little bit rare, but why not). If it works with Queen Ileosa as aristocrat 2/ Bard 16, enhanced by the Crown of Fangs, then it will work with any other higher level opponent, or a group of opponent, like a band of evil high level monks, figthers, mages clerics, bards, etc.
Enhance them with high level magic Items that they will use against the PCs at the end of the Adventure, and they will be a challenge. Once defeated, the PCs can loot them for some real magic Item goodies. Which PC does not crave powerful Items or artifacts? And the best part is, if they are awarded at the end of the Adventure, the GameMaster does not really have to worry that these Items might upset the game balance since at level 20 the Characters will retire.

The main opponent does not have to be a Queen or King, he/she could also be "just" a (bandit) General who threatens the Town. His army might be defeated by the Towns or lands own army (maybe led by the PCs), but the leader and his cronies are not accounted for and must be captured before they return with a new army. Also, The king, queen or Leader of the town or province must be protected against any assassins that might be send against him/her. Another Option is to infiltrate the opposing army in order to wreak havoc and demoralize them before the "good" army attacks. (OK, here might be a problem with the point of "convoluted stat blocks eating up too much space").

The above are just a few examples as I wrote this. I am sure that any good, experienced writer can come up with a few more opponents/situations that do not include Demons, Devils and Dragons (except as hired help) to challenge a 15 - 20th level party.

And as someone has already mentioned, this might not be part of an AP but can be done as a "sequel module" to an AP (which might also be played as a stand alone).

Thank you Cosmo.

Please be so kind and cancel my order #1187094 One on One Adventures Compendium(PFRPG)Print Edition.

Taking into account all the "big" shipments for October and November, I will have to keep an eye on finances. I will get back to this little goody later this year (or early next year).

Thanks

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Devlin 'Dusk' Valerian wrote:

Hi folks,

I would like to change the shipping address for this shipment. Is that still possible?

Jörg

I have re-sent the confirmation email for this order to you. If you have any further changes to make to the address, please reply to that email with the correct shipping address.

Thanks,
cos

Thanks Cosmo, I have just done so.

This service you folks offer is very much appreciated.

Joerg

Just received the following from Amazon for my Core Rulebook order, placed 24/7:

We regret to inform you that the following items have been delayed as we are still awaiting stock from our suppliers :

Jason Bulmahn "Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Core Rulebook"
Estimated arrival date: September 17 2009 - September 24 2009

Can I assume that this is a typical Amazon big fat shipping date lie, and that if there were any copies to be had in the distribution channel before the November re-print, they'd have had them by now?

Did *anyone* in the UK actually get a copy from Amazon?

Also, question to Paizo - is the November estimate for the reprint to have the book off the presses in China, or in the hands of distributors? If the book has to go China -> Paizo -> UK -> Amazon -> me, I'm guessing there's little chance of acutally having it my hands for Christmas at this point :(

Sorry to rant a little, just trying to get a handle on what's going on so I can set my own expectations accordingly...

I have not ordered with Amazon UK, ( on June 13th) but with Amazon Germany. They have stated as shipping/release date "August 19th".

I have received the book today. So I would guess that you do have a chance to still receive your copy.

Jörg

Hi folks,

I would like to change the shipping address for this shipment. Is that still possible?

Jörg

One day I really would like to do some sort of big adventure sequel something that takes adventurers from 15th to 20th level, but right now that's not something we're really working on.

As for why Pathfinder APs only go up to around 15th level... lots of reasons. I'll list five bigger ones below.

1) Because in 6 months, that's basically what we have room to cover while still providing lots of support material in Pathfinder for the AP.

4) Because the overwhelming majority of gamers prefer mid level adventures.

That said, I'm very strongly considering an attempt to go higher than 15th for an upcoming AP, if I can figure out how to pull it off in 6 volumes...

Hi, James and Hello Folks,

All 5 mentioned reasons make sense. But I do have to disagree with point 1 and 4.

Here are my thoughts:

1) Covering the level-range into 6 month:

Why not just have an AP that starts with Level 4 or 5? Incorporating higher Level PC's into an AP is easily done (At least GameMasters have less problems with that, then adding another self made Adventure in order to bring the group up to Level 20 or 21).

Taking in account your statement that Adventures for Levels above 15 are harder to design, well, at least myself would be willing to compensate that effort with a higher price.

As in regards to

4)"overwhelming majority of gamers prefer mid level adventures"

I cant judge on that since I don't have any statistics on other gamers preferences, but at least my players are ALLWAYS complaining that the AP does not bring them to a Level where they can send their characters into retirement (20+).

I personally would gladly welcome an AP which ends at Level 20, at least once in a while.

An alternative would be a single module that starts at 15 and ends at 20, which could be incorporated in to an AP, although James is probably right here; its most likely that that one would not sell very well.

On the other hand, an AP that starts ant 4th level and ends at 20th... can't imagine that such a one would sell less that a regular AP 8 At least once in a while, say every 3rd or 4th AP

Any other thoughts or opinions?

Jörg

Devlin 'Dusk' Valerian wrote:

Vic Wertz wrote:

"I'd like to add that we ship worldwide here at paizo.com, so if you can't find it locally, there is an option." (End of Quote)

Hi Vic,

I thought you guys where out of stock till the reprint in November.

Are you implying that you guys might have some copies left that can be shipped before Novembers 2nd Printing? (in which highly secured and trapped dungeon are they secured? Please tell me.....I Promise.....You'll be my precious............ Want my soul... ? (well at least a part of it) ;))

We have enough coming back from Gen Con to cover the gap... probably.

Great News !!!

I am off to spread the news to anyone I'll know who is still searching.

Vic Wertz wrote:

"I'd like to add that we ship worldwide here at paizo.com, so if you can't find it locally, there is an option." (End of Quote)

Hi Vic,

I thought you guys where out of stock till the reprint in November.

Are you implying that you guys might have some copies left that can be shipped before Novembers 2nd Printing? (in which highly secured and trapped dungeon are they secured? Please tell me.....I Promise.....You'll be my precious............ Want my soul... ? (well at least a part of it) ;))

I am in Slovakia and likely to remain here for at least two more months until the summer holidays end (that's assuming money is there to return to the U.S. for the next university year). Will the PFRPG be available in Slovakia (outside the U.S.) too and if so, will it be here on release date?

,

Hi Roman,

Most of the major German Distributors, as well as major Online Shops do deliver within Europe. I don't know what the price for sipping and handling will be, with any of them. (Although I think it will be fair, since things like that tend to be regulated by the European Parliament in Brussels).

I assume that your best shot will be with Ulisses (them doing the PFRPG translation into German)or an online shop name F-shop ( http://www.f-shop.de/cgi-bin/f-shop/overview?q=Pathfinder ) ( I assume they are one and the same). But I also strongly suggest you hurry with your order. Available books seem to be scarce, but not impossible to obtain. (You might also want to check any UK based or Austrian based online shop). Amazon.uk might also be a good place check out. They do deliver outside of the UK (at least to germany). Amazon UK has set the shipping date to September 2nd (if they receive enough). You might also try also try amazon.de, although they have still not shipped or given notice as to when they will ship. (Shipping date is stated as 19th of August).

If all else fails, you might try giving me a notice on this board. As of now, I have no spares left, but I have ordered the game with 7 different places in Germany and the UK, and so far Have been affirmed two deliveries. I need at least two or three further copies for my own players in order to accommodate them, but if all goes well, and if I receive all books ordered, I just might have one copy left to further along (please note that I ain't able to promise anything, since all is up to the distributors/retailers and how many of my outstanding orders will be fulfilled).

George

This was, in fact, an authorization for your subscription creation order. Unfortunately, whether or not a hold is placed on funds and the duration of the hold are both entirely up to your banking institution and not something we can control. For U.S. banks, pending transaction holds are generally released after 3-5 business days.

Therefore, you may need to contact your bank to be sure, but the hold should be released soon.

Thanks,
cos

Hi Cosmo,

Thanks for the fast reply, I appreciate Paizo's customer service level very much. (especially since you made through that misspelled drivel of mine .)) )

But back to my main topic:

I have just contacted my bank, as you suggested. Unfortunately they have given me an answer which contradicts your info. The bank people told me that the hold on the fund will be on the card until you guys cancel that charge. Once the charge has been cancelled by you, I am supposed to "see that within minutes". So I am left with contradicting information.

Please be ensured that I trust more in your answer than in theirs, 8 after all, I do work with a bank, thus, at least, having a "feel" for their (lets call it....... tactics.....) but I kindly do request that you guys do send them a confirmation that the hold on the funds is " canceled".

Again, my appreciation for the work that you guys at Paizo do, be it Customer Service, Design, Editing, Development, Editorial Staff, manager, or who ever helps in bringing such a great Game as PFRPG, AP, Modules, etc on the market, for us to buy and enjoy. Me, and I am sure, as well as the majority of the PF-Product Line-Customers, appreciate Yours and Alison's (as well as any other unnamed Customer Service Staff member who might remain unknown to the cross of us,) excellent work, and patience and your humor that you do and show to and for us.

Not an official source, but it may have just been an authorization to see if they could charge the credit card. These usually go away after a couple days. For the official story please stay tuned to Cos or Alison.

I just had the same line of reasoning. Your probably correct.

this seems reasonable, at least for first time subscriptions!

One the other hand, that card is valid for more than a year, which should be known to the staff since they charged all my orders to it for the last 18 month. Lets be candid about this: If the test shows that the card is valid and can be charged today, thee still will be gurantee that the same is true two month from now.

This "unexpected" test might just result in me getting into trouble with a German Retailer with whom I finally managed to secure one of the few (to few) AVAILABLE Pathfinder RPG Rules (which would help save me 40 bucks in shipping costs). Since the RPg is that scarce here in Germany, this "test" might just result in me having to wait till November or even December till I finally can lay my "greedy little paws" on that PFRPG Book which I so much lust for. Sure, If I could ensure that the amount available on that card would be higher, i would not have that problem. unfortunately that ain't so easy nowadays, with reduces in pay and threats to be laid off.

I Just hope that this test will return the charged amount soon, otherwise I might just start to cry.

...first tear drops....

Hell, Here I start already.

@ Paizo Staff: I understand the procedure, no bad feelings, but pleaaaase print more books with future "major" releases, to ensure that retailers and our favorite gaming stores receive more books, so that they can cover more than 20% (and thats a high estimate)of their own customers pre-orders.

Thanks for your outstanding customer service, the incorporation of our (the gamers) thougts and opinions, and simply for being who, and how you are.

...having a nervous breakdown, shedding more tears....hugging the shabby PDF print out that weights half a metric ton.....but loving it.

Hi fair folks at Paizo,

a couple of days ago I added the Pathfinder RPG Line to my subsriptions, starting with the Bestiary (Preorder date stated as October).

Today my credit Card has been charged by you with an mount which is equivalent with the order number 1231738, although the Bestiary, which is next in line, will not ship before October.

I have checked my Order History as well as my subscriptions and compared them with my Credit Card invoice. The last shipment (shipped August 11th) was worth 60.21 $. This mount has already been charged to my card on the 17th of August.

My question: or what is the currently charged amount of "49.something"$ when there are no further shipments going my way before September?

Germany has the book now, too! Bought it today, looked it through...and I am overwhelmed.

Where did you get it? I have not received any note so far from any of the stores where I ordered.

It does seem that Esdevium seriously underordered...My FLGS owner tells me he had to insist on getting my copy(we pre ordered three months ago) unfortunately it had to come from someone elses order...so if you are Swedish and didnt get your copy..I'm sorry

I don't think that only Esdevium underoredered, but almost everybody did, From Distributors down to Local Stores.

To bad that the cost for shipping directly from Paizo is so high (to good old Europe),otherwise I would have ordered directly from my favorite publisher. As it is now, I spread my orders, 2 stores the UK, 5 with gaming stores in Germany, as well as Amazon UK and Germany. I am afraid, that I will not even get enough books to cover less than half of our players. ( All in all I ordered 10 books, while 6 are needed, and guess what; I have not received one positive message so far. Well, at least I have the PDF, although I could print it for free, It will be a bother transporting that fat print out along (and sharing it with the rest of the crew).

Nope, everybody, including Paizo underestimated the run on that book. I hope that this enthusiasm keeps up and that gamers world wide will order a hell of a big number of copies. Anything to keep Paizo going. ( and maybe in November I get my copy.

Crying.., throwing fits... WHY, WHY, WHY cant it be November already???

548 I have in the single file, but 549-552 are missing.

I just checked my pdf copy. I have to say no to all of the above. I downloaded the single file version, and had it printed (thanks boss, for being such a kind guy). Though at first glance page 548 seemed to be missing, I did find it right behind page 552. All of the above mentioned pages are included in my pdf-(print). Seems to me that there is a slight mix up problem with the print-out. I suggest checking again.