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Grand Lodge

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Had a blast with this at GenCon, however I thought I read that the chronicle would be updated after Paizocon to be a tier (6-8 I believe) and not just level 7. I applied it to an 8th level character thinking this was the case. Is there clarification on this?

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I have 3 players with CORE tickets for Friday's special and we would all rather play NORM. We would be playing 7-8 in NORM and 1-2 in CORE. If anyone has 3 more to pre-muster shoot me a PM and we'll see if we can do a switch when seated.

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Chuck Wright wrote:
Liz Courts wrote:
All a third-party publisher has to do to set up Print/PDF packages on paizo.com is to let me know, and I'd be happy to do it again for the unlimited version of the Tome of Horrors Complete. :)
That's our own, personal policy, so I'm sure Bill will give the package-deal the thumbs up. :D

Good to hear :-)

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Brutal Ben wrote:
Wolf Munroe wrote:
Yes, I know the PDF is going to be available for all to buy, but I know I never bought the PDF of the Tome of Horrors Revised (3.5e version) because I don't really like to use PDFs (even though I download all the ones that I get with my Paizo subscriptions and do occasionally read in them), so I'm glad to hear another print run is in development for other fans of the dead tree versions like me.

The PDF copy of TOH Complete is very usable on a Tegra 2 Android Tablet using ezPDF. I have an Asus Transformer, and its actually better than reading from an actual book! It loads extremely fast on this beast and the resolution makes the book easy to read.

Besides PDFs are a lot easier to download updates compared to taking a pen to an actual book.

Personally though I did end up buying both through Paizo about a month ago just to add to my coffee table monster book collection! :-)

I was actually wondering if we could get information about the upcoming Unlimited run and the PDF, if the next run will come in a PDF+print package as well.

I love having the PDFs so I can easily keep my books on the go with me ( I too have an Asus Transformer) but I am a print guy when sitting at the gaming table. I am holding off on getting a PDF copy in hopes that the Unlimited run will come in a package bundle.

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Karse wrote:
Aww I received the mail about this book bundle yesterday and its already sold out! >.< Bummer. Any chance more printed version will be release later? The offer just last 1 day? :/

Quoted from Bill at FGG from an earlier post:

Quote:

This wil likely involve a minor change tgo the cover to indicate "unlimited Edition" or something like that.

I don't do this--I am respectful of the collector's market--that being said, I feel like I am hosing all the folks who could not get it in the 12 hours it was on sale today if I don't--and that's just bad customer service.

I thought about a softcover--but its just too big to do that.

I'll work up the details tomorrow and let everyone know.

More copies of a slightly different looking version will be available.

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Bill Webb wrote:

ok; I am going to work this out--that's right, no-reprint Bill is going to do an unlimited edition. I'll work out the specifics in the next few days. I do promise that a) the first edition willl indeed be unique and still collectable, and b) the 1000+ people who could not get the content will get it.

This wil likely involve a minor change tgo the cover to indicate "unlimited Edition" or something like that.

I don't do this--I am respectful of the collector's market--that being said, I feel like I am hosing all the folks who could not get it in the 12 hours it was on sale today if I don't--and that's just bad customer service.

I thought about a softcover--but its just too big to do that.

I'll work up the details tomorrow and let everyone know. I still have about 50 copies of the SW version (500 copies only) that will be for sale starting 9/26.

I am still in shock...so let me gather my wits. I can't tell you how scary it was to write that personal check for printing. Keep in mind its me; not a big corporation. I was hanging wayyyyy out there on this one.

Being one of those who missed the pre-order and had no knowledge of FGG games prior to yesterday (certainly my loss as FGG is a company all PFRG fans should be aware of now), I want to say to Bill and all the others at FGG THANK YOU!

I am a player first when it comes to PFRPG so a stamp on the cover of my Tome of Horrors stating that it is "Unlimited" makes no matter to me what so ever. Supporting great companys such as FGG and Paizo does matter to me because it is their content that has provided me with years of entertainment and years more to come as well as friends and great memories.

Once again THANK YOU for coming here and providing us information and updates as well as being willing to take those extra steps to get this material into the hands of ALL those who want it.

I will be waiting and checking often for info on when this next edition can be ordered.

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h2ofowler wrote:
Darcon wrote:
Chuck Wright wrote:

Darcon - We did the best we could. What can we say? It's wasn't up to us when and how Paizo advertised the book.

Believe me when I say that we want to sell more copies.

I'm also sorry that there are those who think we have low print runs so speculators can "eBay" copies.... all I can tell you is that it's completely false and that it was a huge risk to print as many as we did.

Realize that Frog God Games is a handful of people, not a large company (if you define Paizo as 'large').

I am not here to place any blame or harbor any ill will towards anyone at FGG or Pazio. I love Pathfinder and it is the greatest gaming product in my mind since I origanially touched my first AD&D book many years ago, and this product looks to be something amazing as well.

I appreciate the effort that was placed in putting this book forth and to be honest I may have not even posted here had it not been for those who were taking the "you missed it tough luck" approach to their posts. (Forum members not FGG or Paizo folks)

I also know the low print was strictly based on what you had pre-ordered becasue you obviously can't sit on a bunch of books that you did not and possibly can not sell.

I am here to say "Hey I want one too!!!!", because otherwise how would you know there are others still after this fine tome?

I did see the book/project mentioned on several RPG websites, heard it talked about on multiple RPG podcasts over the summer and read about it on the Paizo boards. It was not kept super-secret, but it was low key I will admit.

Tell you what Darcon, I ordered a print copy through FGG and Paizo. If no one in my gaming group wants my extra copy and you are willing to pay what I have in it plus shipping to you, you can have it (the shiny Tome of Horrors minus the ebay markup). Why? Well, your posts have marked you as a sensible fan of this game. Therefore, as long as my group doesn't want it, it's yours if you want it.

I appreciate the offer very much and will gladly take you up on it if you do not find a taker within your gaming group.

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Dawn R Fischer wrote:

Just reposting my comments, because I don't think anyone saw them at all in that last page. :(

Dawn R Fischer wrote:
Darcon wrote:


Not everyone was familiar with FGG or aware of this book prior to the Paizo promotion of the book.

We are aware that not everyone is familar with us, or even Necromancer Games, from which we sprang. We are sorry that you only saw this announcement via email by Erik Mona after the book had sold out.

Rest assured discussions are taking place to alieviate those issues. I can't say much more than what Bill Webb himself posted on another thread.

>>Bill Webb's comment from another thread:

Bill Webb wrote:

Don't panic....just kidding; but its gone. I am figuring out a way to get material--not the same book--out to you all if you missed it.

Bill
FGG

I will say this, from everyone at Frog God Games, thank you all. To those who pre-ordered directly from us, or from Paizo, or missed out entirely on this print run and still want this book, you are all why we do what we do, for the love of the game and our fellow gamers.

This line is confusing to me:

I am figuring out a way to get material--not the same book--out to you all if you missed it.

What exactly is meant by "material--not the same book--"?

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Matthew Finch wrote:

We're working to see what we can do, although like Dawn says, we've got to let Bill Webb choose what to say about that and when. People who are pointing out that the up-front costs are an issue are basically hitting the nail on the head. We aren't back to the Necromancer Games size yet.

That doesn't entirely answer the related question of why we didn't do any large-scale advertising, but it sort of does; if we'd known that the demand would be this high, we probably would have done advertising, but without hindsight, advertising is potentially just money lost -- and that risk takes place right at the moment when you're trying to come out with a print run that already represents pretty much all the company's capital. We did all that we could to let people know about the book but stopped at the point where it would have meant burning capital on advertising. Small companies have tighter constraints than large, better capitalized ones, and the choices are sometimes balanced on a knife edge.

However, we're totally focused on keeping our gamers supplied with what they need for gaming. Believe me, there's no pleasure in falling short on supply. Bear with us temporarily. We invest a lot in product quality, trying to be the best out there, and that can mean limitations on the size of print runs.

More updates from Bill fairly soon, I think.

I think the fact that multiple representatives from FGG have been here actively communicating with those of us who missed this speaks volumes to who you are as a company.

Additional printings or not I have gained a lot of respect for a company I knew nothing about prior to about an hour or so ago.

I will be monitoring not just this product but others from FGG going forward.

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Chuck Wright wrote:
I think that "fiasco" is a bit of a strong word to use for a small company doing the largest print run possible.

I would agree that fiasco is not the right word to be used regarding this and I am one of those who did not get a book.

FGG did what they could with the resources available, I say those of us who did not get a book make sure we stress how much we would love to offer up the resources for another run 1 pre-order at a time.

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Chuck Wright wrote:

Darcon - We did the best we could. What can we say? It's wasn't up to us when and how Paizo advertised the book.

Believe me when I say that we want to sell more copies.

I'm also sorry that there are those who think we have low print runs so speculators can "eBay" copies.... all I can tell you is that it's completely false and that it was a huge risk to print as many as we did.

Realize that Frog God Games is a handful of people, not a large company (if you define Paizo as 'large').

I am not here to place any blame or harbor any ill will towards anyone at FGG or Pazio. I love Pathfinder and it is the greatest gaming product in my mind since I origanially touched my first AD&D book many years ago, and this product looks to be something amazing as well.

I appreciate the effort that was placed in putting this book forth and to be honest I may have not even posted here had it not been for those who were taking the "you missed it tough luck" approach to their posts. (Forum members not FGG or Paizo folks)

I also know the low print was strictly based on what you had pre-ordered becasue you obviously can't sit on a bunch of books that you did not and possibly can not sell.

I am here to say "Hey I want one too!!!!", because otherwise how would you know there are others still after this fine tome?

Grand Lodge

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Jeff Alvarez wrote:
deinol wrote:
CPLSAL wrote:
Are you seriously telling me this became sold out while I was checking out?
It was a very limited print run. People are lucky Paizo put them up for sale at all, originally it was going to be pre-orders only.
Yeah, originally Bill was going to stick with the pre-orders only but we talked him into printing more and offering them through paizo.com. We really wanted to be sure that our audience had the opportunity to get them....we just had no idea that they would sell out this fast.

So talk him into printing a few more for Paizo.com!!!!

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bigkilla wrote:
Darcon wrote:
bigkilla wrote:

This book was up for Preorder for quite a few months, 3 or more if I remember correctly, there have been multiple threads and discussions here on the Paizo forums about it. I do not understand how people could have missed it being sold for the pre order. This sale is just for the copies that Paizo pre ordered from FGG, there was quite a long time before that where you could have pre ordered it directly from FGG.

They only made as many books as were pre ordered, you snooze you lose.

Not everyone was familiar with FGG or aware of this book prior to the Paizo promotion of the book.

But I of course would expect this response from someone who ordered 4 specifically to place them on ebay.

FGG has numerous post on these forums about the book, they did not advertise exclusively through their website, it was actually advertised here a lot more. Paizo has even had their pre order of the book up for over a month or more and the book was only printed to the order of the print order.

Paizo sends out a email about the book being on sale and now its doom and gloom for the people who did not buy the book when it was in the pre ordere phase. The book was advertised as being a very limited print run.

Advertising on these forums does not equate to advertising to the community of people who would be interested in buying this book, nor does the book simply being on the Paizo website.

I think those people posting here who did not get a pre-order in would have happily pre-ordered had paizo sent out an e-mail about this book back in June when it first went up for pre-order versus today when only a few hundred copies were made available.

I certainly know I would have.

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bigkilla wrote:

This book was up for Preorder for quite a few months, 3 or more if I remember correctly, there have been multiple threads and discussions here on the Paizo forums about it. I do not understand how people could have missed it being sold for the pre order. This sale is just for the copies that Paizo pre ordered from FGG, there was quite a long time before that where you could have pre ordered it directly from FGG.

They only made as many books as were pre ordered, you snooze you lose.

Not everyone was familiar with FGG or aware of this book prior to the Paizo promotion of the book.

But I of course would expect this response from someone who ordered 4 specifically to place them on ebay.

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Dragnmoon wrote:
Erithtotl wrote:

That doesn't make sense. They are just transfering profits to people who buy multiple copies to eBay it.

If indeed this is how they do business I will never buy anything from them. I buy my gaming goods to use in my game, not to make a profit online or 'collect' them.

They are a Tiny Company, they can't do Huge print runs, especially with books as monolithic as this. A Huge print run would Bankrupt them most likely.

Then a one day sellout should prompt them to do a second "not huge" run.

I also just logged on to try and buy one only to find them sold out and to people who will want me to pay 3-4 times the selling price.

Do a preorder and print the run to the preorder amount if they are that concerned about selling the product they print. Pathfinder is the best thing going in gaming right now so selling something this cool should be no sweat for them.