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Well, my GM has made a ruling in favour of having one spell known per slot, which is what we were doing prior to the silly pathbuilder change.

As much as that's good news, still would be nice for Paizo to make a ruling about this and all the long standing errors and issues in the system.

You are rather visibly here to find something to help revert your GMs decision.

There's a little bit of that. I don't know if he's made a concrete decision and I'll stick with it regardless but it'd be nice to have an actual errata on it.

Make a reasonable decision for your table and move on because it is unlikely Paizo will address things any time soon.

As much as I accept the decisions of my GM in order to play, I don't like that he's as of yet decided to reduce my versatility by going with the 3 spells known per level change that was done arbitrarily by the Pathbuilder guy. It's not a democracy; he makes the decisions, though he does take things into account.

Also I slept through my session today and I am sad :<

Looking at spells known per rank from their repertoire feature, Not counting additional spells from any other source or feature;

Psychic gets 1-2
Bards gets 2-3
Sorcerer gets 3-4

This exactly matches the amount of spellslots they have

yes but the fact that spontaneous casters don't all get 4 slots per level is something he's going to pick up on and that will weigh into his decision. I've checked and there's no real constant for how many spell slots per day any caster gets (Wizards get 3+1, witches only get 3, for example) but that's still something he'll look at and go "Well, there's no actual consistency here so I'm just going to stick with what you've got now."

I don't think it's nearly as simple or quick as you think here. Paizo isn't a huge company, but it IS a company, which means decisions aren't unilaterally made by one person.

Oh, I know. But a bird can dream that they'd manage to put something out.

Looking at things, sorcerer gets 3-4 spells known per rank but one is a bloodline spell, and bard gets 2-3 spells known per rank but only gets 2-3 slots per rank. It's safe to say that's not going to be a working argument for why my oracle should know 4 spells per rank instead of 3.

*sigh*

This is why it's necessary for publishers to stay on top of these things.

My next character is going to be a martial.

You know every time I try to reply to more than one person it destroys my whole reply and resets this text box so I'm not even going to bother formatting the replies. Good Lord.

In any case, the fact that this has gone on for over a year and is apparently (according to Finoan) not even the LONGEST wait for a clarification or errata is actually kind of depressing. Like I really enjoy Pathfinder but when we have to wait so long to get clarifications on things that would literally take a single writer FIVE MINUTES to look into and give an absolute answer? Disappointing. At least the game is free.

I've mentioned in my campaign's discord about the general consensus being one spell known per slot per rank so here's hoping the GM goes along with it. I play in... ~7 hours so I'll check in then.

I should look up what the other spontaneous casters get in terms of the number of spells known because if it's 3-4 for each of them, I have a better argument too.

I'm not sure why they'd send you here for an official answer

Probably the same reason this question needs to be asked in the first place: Paizo has more employees than it has communication and a chunk of them have zero idea what's going on with the other chunks.

This sort of rules issue wouldn't even be a thing if the editors and writers communicated better.

They don't answer rules questions here, and haven't for years. James answers lore questions and interacts on AP related conversations a lot and Maya is here for community support, and those things are great. Rules questions do not get answered by Paizo here.

We're on our own unless another errata comes out. It's extremely frustrating because this should take literally 60 seconds to clarify.

So they don't answer rules questions by email, or on social media, or on the forums where I was specifically directed to to ask this question. Where do they answer rules questions?

Also the update to Pathbuilder seems to have happened on 5 August.

Pathbuilder recently removed one spell per rank , which is how I found out about this whole debacle. And yeah, I read that thread and tagged Paizo on Bluesky; they don't answer rules questions on socmed, so they said to make a thread here explaining that perhaps the Paizo staff that trawl these parts for rules explanations missed it.

Personally I don't think they're bothering to look, because that thread you've linked has been around for a loooong time.

I agree that it should be 3 and then 4 spells but my GM doesn't want to mess with it unless Paizo actually makes a statement, which they absolutely need to do independent of how my GM operates.

(Oh dear, this again)

So, I tagged paizo on Bluesky a few days ago regarding this because it's come up in my playgroup and we need to figure out an answer. This has been an ongoing issue since remastered oracle came out just over a year ago. The person running the Paizo Bluesky account directed me to make a thread here even if it's been brought up and not answered before, so here we are!

Remastered oracle, under the spell repertoire section, says the following:

The collection of spells you can cast is called your spell repertoire. At 1st level, you learn two 1st-rank divine spells of your choice and five divine cantrips of your choice. You choose these from the common spells on the divine list or from other divine spells to which you have access. You can cast any spell in your spell repertoire by using a spell slot of an appropriate spell rank.

You add to this spell repertoire as you increase in level. Each time you get a spell slot (see the Oracle Spells per Day table), you add a spell to your spell repertoire of the same rank. At 2nd level, you select another 1st-rank spell; at 3rd level, you select two 2nd-rank spells, and so on. When you add spells, you might add a higher-rank version of a spell you already have, so you can cast a heightened version of that spell.

The question here is how many spells does an oracle know?

Rules as written it's actually unclear as it says two different things:

• > A first level oracle knows two first rank spells
  
• > Every time an oracle gets a spell slot, they learn a new spell.
  

So does an oracle know two or three spells of a rank when they first unlocks that rank, and would they then know three or four spells when they get their next spell of that rank in the next level? The only errata given for this is that the table (which only displays spell slots and not spells known) is correct. This doesn't help anyone determine if they should know three or four spells per rank.

It's been over a year, Paizo. Please give us a solid answer about how many spells oracle knows D: