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I am glad you didn't see that as a justification, as I had clearly stated I wasn't trying to justify anything. But, then again, you decided to edit that part out of your response.

What I was trying to do was explain why things in a volunteer situation don't necessarily work like they do in a normal employment position. So comparisons between the two are not 100% accurate. And just because I sympathize with a desire does not mean I agree with a decision.

Bill,

I apologize if my use of the word justification was unclear. I was questioning your premises, because I don't think they support your conclusion. What you are in essence saying, is that a volunteer workplace should be able to treat their workers worse than a paid place of employment. You may not view it that way, but when I read your post, that's what I see.
My post is not in relation to your previous comments about this exact situation, and I agree, there are a number of unknown factors. I'm not accusing you of not taking sides here, I'm simply stating that your conclusion is faulty.

Honestly, I really like this idea. If you don't want to over complicate the stat block, it could even go in the description (like the text for improved familiars, etc., goes now). Having summons simply be added to the spell as they're released is far superior to waiting for occasional updates when the monster source material has already been out for a while.

With summons only getting 2 of the 3 actions available to a normal creatures, I think PF2 will be resolving some of the major issues people have with conjurers. Though T-rex v. Glabrezu skirmishes will always be a highlight from PF1 I think that we should have less to worry about massive summoned monsters wrecking encounters while everyone stands around and has drinks, and hopefully it can put the focus on utility. Expanding the list with new releases of bestiaries (as mentioned above) and focusing on adding things that bring utility casting and the likes to the list rather than direct damage would solve a lot of people's problems with the spell chain while still empowering controllers and utility casters.