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Well, RAI is likely what the faq says in that you fall but they don't really backup the claim that it does, moreover they just say it does. In the scenario above I think the hover check is made of a reaction, to you trying to stay still. I am not saying you are badwrongfun for doing it your way as this is a pretty niche scenario that no longer matters to our original conversation. If I was in a home game I would rule that you fall too.

Cal, it is a free action to stop flying. If a bird stopped flapping its wings it would fall. Hovering is not the same as stop flying, its is not stated anywhere. This is not nitpicking, this is what the rules say.

Nevermine guys, whole thing was a mistake on my part misremembering the flight speed of fly meaning he could not even get up to this point.

Remember the fun time the developers made that mistake with monks flurries, Casuing the sohei archetype and the Zen archer archtype to flat out not work and it contradicted every premade monk character they had. That caused alot of issues. They may have fixed it but in this case they still contradict rules and rules are the only thing I can follow online. If they errated it then that would be fine but in this case? No.

I think there is really nothing more to say on it then. Your going to go with your way no matter what so why argue it?

This is part of a the lovely fighter v wizard threads on another board, where everyone says he is wrong. I will keep my way because he cannot prove that by RAW I fall when stunned.

Calthropstu wrote:

CBDunkerson wrote:

Calthropstu wrote:

Because flying is always a move action

Sez who?

The book text;
"Action: None. A Fly check doesn't require an action; it is made as part of another action or as a reaction to a situation."

I don't see the word 'move' in there at all.

Full attack is an action... which would require a DC 15 fly check to hover to pull off.

"A Fly check doesn't require an action; it is made as part of another action..."

Right there is where it says it. "A fly check is made as part of another action."

If you're making a fly check, it means you are making an action that requires a fly check: namely, flying.

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*sigh*

Missing something, aren't we?

"...or as a reaction to a situation."

If you're making a fly check, it means you are making an action that requires a fly check, OR you are making a fly check as a reaction to the situation that your character finds themself in. Since hovering presumably doesn't require spending a move action, and there are no other listed actions it would fall under, it has to be a reaction to a situation i.e. the flyer didn't take an action to move that turn (whether they can't take an action, or because they chose not to is irrelevant), and the fly check to hover is a reaction to that situation.

EDIT: Bahaha, this is actually answered in a FAQ

FAQ wrote:

Flight and Magical Flight: Can a paralyzed or stunned creature keep flying with magical flight? Does a creature with magical flight not apply bonuses or penalties to Fly checks because it doesn’t have a “natural” fly speed? Does flying make a creature immune to being flat-footed?

No, any creature that loses all actions can’t take an action to attempt a Fly check to hover in place and thus automatically falls. That includes a paralyzed, stunned, or dazed creature. Magical flight doesn’t act any differently, even for

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I don't really care what the FAQ says to be honest, It contradicts the book way to often to be even credible at explaining rules. I follow RAW in internet discussions, not how the desingers think the rules work.

Ok, I am the person who has this conversation with the OP. It was about the fly spell, not flying in general. Cal thinks because the line "Using a fly spell requires only as much concentration as walking, so the subject can attack or cast spells normally." means it takes a action to hover because walking takes a action to use.Iw oudl also like to add home rules dont matter as they vary from table to table so in our discussion we need a strict RAW. I am going for still flying while stunned.