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Ah, yes. I saw what you meant when I combined it with another FAQ's ruling. That is a shame. I was hoping for a moment that a 1-level dip into Witch could make a Beastblade Magus' familiar a more threatening presence on the battlefield. Thanks for your help, friends.
archetypes can't go on things that modify the same thing. The improved familiar losing and regaining speech doesn't count as original speech for the archetype to replace. Do you have a citation for this anywhere in the rules? I found a few FAQ's that talk about treating Improved Familiar as an archetype and such, but nothing that states the above. Is there an FAQ I'm missing?
Hey there, been a lurker for sometime and I'm a long-time player of Pathfinder. I've recently stumbled upon an interaction that I'd like to get a bit of clarification on. It is a fact that Improved Familiars lose their ability to speak with animals of their kind. But Witches have the option to take a 'Patron Familiar' as detailed in the Familiar Folio player companion, and those witches who choose the 'Animal' Patron grant their Familiar the ability to 'Speak with Animals of their kind' as a first level ability. I've mulled and ruminated on this idea for several days now, because at first I waved it away as a separate ability, however the wording:
The wording heavily implies two things. 1.) Patron Familiars can be improved familiars, since as far as I am aware, Improved Familiars are the only familiars that would not normally gain that ability at 7th level. 2.) That the ability is directly tied to the Familiars level progression similar to its other abilities, and would be something that could be removed by an archetype later, as for a normal Familiar it simply moves when they would normally gain their ability. My end question really is, does this logic hold up? Could an Animal Witch with a Patron Familiar get their Improved Familiar an archetype in this way? |
