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I don't want to toot my own horn but that was my argument... If the dragon had an immunity to critical hits there would be no argument.

His argument is in saying that the dragon's huge and the Coup de grace comes form a striker of another size (not huge), and that undead are immune to death attacks and critical hits...

Oups! Sorry... The dragon in question is an Umbral Dragon.

Here is the situation.

The party sneaks in on an sleeping dragon, using stealth and silence. On on the characters who is large delivers a coup de grace on the dragon.

DM says that it doesn't kill it because the dragon is immune to death effects.

Question: Is a coup de grace a death effect as stated in the immunity?

2 sides:

#1 Yes, the dragon lives.

#2 No, it dies.

The rule book states...

Death Attacks

In most cases, a death attack allows the victim a Fortitude save to avoid the affect, but if the save fails, the character dies instantly.

* Raise dead doesn’t work on someone killed by a death attack.
* Death attacks slay instantly. A victim cannot be made stable and thereby kept alive.
* In case it matters, a dead character, no matter how she died, has -10 hit points.
* The spell death ward protects a character against these attacks.

I'm pretty certain that you could raise someone who died from a coup de grace... And on the other hand a spell like Death Ward wouldn't protect you against one...

Does anyone have a reference that would clear the situation? Otherwise, it's almost a TPK (total party killer).

Thanks for any input.