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Would I use 1/2 STR bonus because I'm attacking with my off hand?

Don't worry about it? What specific set of circumstances is occurring that causes a problem?

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Actual answer? My guess is that it is a typo. Remove "Off", and the ability reads more clearly, especially when considering the follow up feats.

Removing the "off" would indeed fix the problem. My initial read of Shield Gauntlet Master was that it would allow you to make all of your iteratives with the gauntlet and retain the shield bonus.

So, the circumstance would be:
Spiked Gauntlet A is +3
Spiked Gauntlet B is simply masterwork
I have Shield Gauntlet style
I also have Shield Gauntlet Mastery
Lets say I have 2 iterative attacks

Ignoring the off hand requirement I could get +4 Shield Bonus while making two attacks with Gauntlet A.

Short answer, the author is using off hand differently than the game does. Off hand in this case means "not main hand", not "second attack in TWF hand" (which is the only definition we had before). I think this comic covers it best.

Shield Gauntlet Style wrote:

When using this style, if you begin your turn wearing a gauntlet or spiked gauntlet on your off hand, and you are not using that hand to hold or make attacks with any other weapons or shield, you gain a +1 shield bonus to AC. You lose this shield bonus whenever you attack with your gauntlet or hold a weapon or shield in that hand. While receiving this shield bonus to AC, your gauntlet or spiked gauntlet is treated as a buckler for the purpose of using other feats and abilities (though you are also considered to have a free hand). This feat acts as the Improved Unarmed Strike feat for the purpose of satisfying the prerequisites of the Deflect Arrows and Snatch Arrows feats.

The base style requires that you wear the gauntlet on your off hand but you cannot attack with the gauntlet or anything held in the gauntlet. Which means it literally cannot be your off hand (as defined by TWF). That leaves us with "not your main hand" as the simplest definition.

When you reach Shielded Gauntlet Mastery you can attack with the gauntlet though. So, for example, if you have two iteratives and attack with one weapon each which hand is your main hand? The one which attacked with the higher bonus? Or (mostly thought example) if you only have one iterative but get a bonus attack from haste and split those between your weapons? How do you determine which is your main hand when you can attack with both?

That's generally true but if you hold two different weapons in your hands you can attack with either for your iteratives (assuming no TWF). I'm also pretty sure you get full STR bonus regardless of which weapon you use in that case.

I wish Shielded Gauntlet Style had left off the "off hand" portion and you just couldn't attack/hold etc until Mastery. But that probably woulda broken something else, I'm not a designer.

My question boils down to: If you aren't using TWF, what determines which hand is your off hand?

Specifically, I'm looking at Shielded Gauntlet Mastery. It allows you to keep the shield bonus when attacking with your gauntlet, but does not remove the requirement that you have to start your turn with the gauntlet in/on your off hand. Now, we all understand which hand that means when you TWF, but if you aren't what does that mean exactly?

Is it whichever hand is not attacking? Then would it switch with every attack if I use different hands for my iterative attacks? Would this mean that i could make most of my iteratives with the gauntlet as long as I make the final attack with the other hand so that I'll start my next round with the gauntlet in the off hand?

Or perhaps I have to declare it. Does that declaration last the whole round, or can I change which hand is my off hand before/after attacks? Even if it's set for the whole round, then I could still use my "off hand" gauntlet to make all my iteratives just with 1/2 STR bonus right?

Or maybe I'm missing something simple about off hands. Seems to me that it's not well-defined outside of TWF.