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I play mostly Pathfinder Society games, so that feat combo isn't relative to me anyway since in PS it's not legal. I would allow it in a home game though.

Beowulf Adrinor wrote:
Asking the developers to either chime in or let me post their answer I told you about above. Let you all know when they do.

Well, I was wrong. The official ruling says that the feat does not grant shape shifting, so a human with kitsune racial feat can NOT take Fox Shape. Here is the message I got.

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Up to your GM, but I wouldn't allow it. Kitsune are supernatural, and I'm not really sure a mere feat is enough, story-wise and flavor-wise, in my opinion to allow that jump.

Sorry for misleading. I'm man enough to post when I am wrong.

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Asking the developers to either chime in or let me post their answer I told you about above. Let you all know when they do.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:


Fox shape is not the ability to turn into a fox. Its an alteration of the change shape ability that a kitsune already has. Without having that change shape ability to start with, the feat does nothing.

We also give you the ability to take feats that you can't use all the time either situationally or because you lack an ability or some other key component. You can take Combat Casting (it has no prerequisites) even if you don't have any spells or spell-like abilities. Logic assumes you will not if it is no use to you. Just because you have Deadly Aim, we don't assume you always have the ability to make ranged attacks.

Fox Shape (Kitsune)

You can change into a fox in addition to your other forms.

Prerequisites: Cha 13, base attack bonus +3, kitsune.

Special: A kitsune may select this feat any time she would gain a feat.

Benefit: You can take the form of a fox whose appearance is static and cannot be changed each time you assume this form. Your bite attack’s damage is reduced to 1d3 points of damage on a hit, but you gain a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear as a fox. Changing from kitsune to fox shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as beast shape II, and your ability scores change accordingly.

This power would give a human with Racial Heritage Kitsune the power to turn into a fox and back as a standard action lasting 1 min per level as this feat acts as the Beast Shape 2 spell that only allows the fox shape. This ruling comes from the lead game designers.

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Anyone know if their will be follow-up scenarios like the Labyrinth of Hungry Ghosts published, or are anymore Gloomspire adventures not going to happen?