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Heightening p. 299 wrote:

When you heighten your spell, the spell’s level increases to match the higher level of the spell slot you’ve prepared it in or used to cast it.

So the level of the spell is the level it's being cast at.

The rules on spontaneous heightening help support this view, imo:

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If you’re a spontaneous spellcaster, you must know a spell at the specific level that you want to cast it in order to heighten it. You can add a spell to your spell repertoire at more than a single level so that you have more options when casting it. For example, if you added fireball to your repertoire as a 3rd-level spell and again as a 5th-level spell, you could cast it as a 3rd-level or a 5th-level spell; however, you couldn’t cast it as a 4th-level spell.

Note that 5th level fireball is being specifically described as a fifth level spell here and 3rd level fireball as a third level spell.

This helped a lot, thank you! Coming from another system where Heightening happens when a Spontaneous spell is cast vs when it is added to the Repetoire there was a gap in the logic for us.

You're correct, a Summoner's repertoire is only ever 4 spells, limited by the levels they can cast.

So the only way for them to know Mage Armor at 5th level would be for them to take it as a second or third level spell known.

Apologies if I am being obtuse or missing something, I admit to being fairly new to the Pathfinder system.

Does the wording of Summoner's Spell Repetoire not limit your options? When selecting a your 2nd or 3rd Level Spells what allows you to select a 1st Level Spell?

The wording of Spell Repertoire's of any spell level you can cast appears to limit your options, when selecting a 2nd or 3rd level slot, to only include 2nd and 3rd level spells as these are the only levels that you are able to currently cast.

While the wording is odd, a spontaneous caster's repertoire can contain heightened levels of spells.

Having 2nd level heal in your repertoire is valid.

The wording seems to suggest that a Summoner's Repertoire is only ever 4 Spells and those 4 Spells must be at a level they can cast.

The moment a Summoner loses access to their 1st Level Spell Slot do they not also lose access to they ability to add a 1st Level Spell to their Repertoire? When their selection seems to be limited RAW to the level of their currently available slots?

During a discussion about the odd wording that has a number of folks concerned with casting from a staff - a point was made that I had a hard time debating and was hoping the good people here might be able to help clarify.

Summoner's Spell Repertoire reads:

You can cast any spell in your spell repertoire by using a spell slot of an appropriate spell level. Each time you gain a level, you can reselect the spells in your repertoire.

At 3rd level, your repertoire grows to four spells of your choice of any spell level you can cast, though you must always know at least one spell you can cast using your lower-level slots.

My uncertainty comes from when you reach 5th level in reference to the emphasized text. At 5th level Summoner no longer has a 1st level slot to cast with. Would this mean that at 5th level you lose any 1st level spells remaining in your Spell Repertoire?

My GMs impression is that because Summoner can no longer cast at 1st level, they can no longer maintain that spell in their repetoire. Or rather, the only way for them to retain that spell in their repetoire would be to never reselect their spells again. The reasoning being that when a Summoner goes to reselect their spells in their Spell Repetoire they must select a spell that they can cast with their currently available slots.

Magus does not seem to suffer this issue because Magus maintains their spells in a written Spellbook. Because a Magus' Spellbook maintains their "Repetoire" so to speak while they can no longer cast at 1st Level the spell is still available for them to cast at a Heightened Level.

What are everyone's thoughts? Does this come across as intended? My concern was that a Summoner loses access to important lower level spells such as Mage Armor due to the fact that the spell is no longer in their Repetoire. Without the spell available in their Repetoire Summoners seem unable to cast lower level spells even from a staff, as they can not know the spell once they reach a higher level of casting.