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A little late reply, but just wanted to say thanks a lot everyone, I appreciate your suggestions and comments!

Hmmmm what can I say that won't be censored?

5 classes in 7 levels really just about everything about this character is for max game advantage and as far as I can see nothing to do with Role-playing!
Oh well if that's what you like I guess that's what you like .
Now I remember why I stopped reading these message boards oh well back to DRAGONSFOOT I guess

Clearly you missed the point of the game. Nowhere in the rules does it say that Pathfinder has to be played according to your beliefs. Nor does it say that you have to make your character weak(er), average, single classed or whatever. You don’t have to act, talk in a different voice, change your accent or dress up to play the game. You simply create a character and control him in whatever way you want. The game is about having fun. If you enjoy talking in a different voice or changing your accent that’s great. Enjoy it in whatever way you like. I don’t understand how my character or this post interfere with your enjoyment.

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While playing the Pathfinder RPG, the Game Master describes the events that occur in the game world, and the players take turns describing what their characters do in response to those events. Unlike storytelling, however, the actions of the players and the characters controlled by the Game Master (frequently called non-player characters, or NPCs) are not certain. Most actions require dice rolls to determine success, with some tasks being more difficult than others. Each character is better at some things than he is at other things, granting him bonuses based on his skills and abilities.

As your character goes on adventures, he earns gold, magic items, and experience points. Gold can be used to purchase better equipment, while magic items possess powerful abilities that enhance your character. Experience points are awarded for overcoming challenges and completing major storylines. When your character has earned enough experience points, he increases his character level by one, granting him new powers and abilities that allow him to take on even greater challenges.

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The rules presented are here to help you breathe life into your characters and the world they explore. While they are designed to make your game easy and exciting, you might find that some of them do not suit the style of play that your gaming group enjoys. Remember that these rules are yours. You can change them to fit your needs. Most Game Masters have a number of "house rules" that they use in their games. The Game Master and players should always discuss any rules changes to make sure that everyone understands how the game will be played. Although the Game Master is the final arbiter of the rules, the Pathfinder RPG is a shared experience, and all of the players should contribute their thoughts when the rules are in doubt.

Note: They are not referring to you exclusively.

I don’t understand this need some purists have to tell other people what to enjoy and what not to enjoy (especially if they are missing the point in the first place) whether it’s music, movies, games or something else.

With that said, 5 classes in 7 levels (or any other combination of classes and levels) has ZERO impact on whether you can role play a character or not. You can still come up with a story and personality if you want and it would probably be significantly more interesting and inspiring than yet another 7th level fighter.

Optimizing, or trying to achieve specific things, is a totally normal human thing to do. It’s no different in real life. Everyone is trying to get the best out of their lives although some are more successful doing so than others.

Some people may be a carpenter all their life and be happy, and some people may play a fighter from level 1 to level 20, while other people may educate themselves in various fields and take a bunch of courses, and never specialize in one thing. Like having 5 classes in 7 levels.

In this case I would play a character who’s multiclassed and that’s just as much role playing as playing a 3rd level character with a pitchfork who used to be a farmer and talk like Donald Trump.

boots of the earth were changed to only work once a day right?

the aether elemental defense is a temp HP shield and it regenerates.

Oh, they were changed too? Didn’t know that either. The kineticist looks more and more interesting.

What's wrong with finding Haleen?

Well what's wrong with it is that it's a campaign trait, which are usually more powerful than a normal straight, and made for a specific campaign.

The one you chose is more powerful than 2 feats. Additionally it's not even pathfinder really, it's 3.5 isn't it?

Didn’t know the campaign traits were different. I just looked through the list on d20pfsrd.

does it have to be pfs legal cuz if not take a level in vitalist and then get a tumor familiar from either bloodrager or alchemist they you get free fast healing 5

No doesn’t have to be PFS legal as long as it’s by RAW and RAI. That is indeed nice! Thank you!

Thanks everyone!

Fast Healing was removed from the Worm companion in a FAQ. It only grants Light Fortification now. Unless you can get a steady source of Infernal/Celestial Healing, it will be hard to add Fast Healing to your build. Spell eater would work, but you will only benefit from it for a couple of rounds/day.

Ahh, damn. Perhaps Boots of the Earth could be an alternative.

Also your DR is only 1 from classes, that doesn't really seem like it's that worth it other than to say "you technically have it"

I propose the earth aether kineticist.
It'll have DR, and fast healing temp HP, and can have good AC and attacks, ranged and melee.

Doesn’t really matter where the DR is coming from. DR is DR.

So shield and mutagen and enlarge person. 3 rounds gone to do combat and 7 rounds before buffs start to disappear.

Plus.. Finding Haleen trait? I dunno about that.

That’s true. My thinking was to put up the mutagen before entering places or situations where battles are expected and then buff with enlarge in the first round. Shield would be for fights where the DR and fast healing couldn’t keep up.

What’s wrong with Finding Haleen?

DthKnell wrote:

Fast Healing was removed from the Worm companion in a FAQ. It only grants Light Fortification now. Unless you can get a steady source of Infernal/Celestial Healing, it will be hard to add Fast Healing to your build. Spell eater would work, but you will only benefit from it for a couple of rounds/day.
Well, he has levels in Alchemist. If he takes the Tumor Familiar Discovery, and the Protector Archetype for his Familiar, when he gets to Level 5 Familiar-Haver, his Familiar will keep Shield Other on him, absorbing half the hit points intended for the PC. And the Familiar, being a Tumor, gets Fast Healing 5.

That's different from the PC having DR or Fast Healing, but it's still seems pretty cool and along those lines.

Louise Bishop wrote:
Only for the rounds, you are raging...But I do have a build for it if the OP is interested.
I'm interested!

Arch Zull wrote:
I wanted to make a build with fast healing, damage reduction and high AC
How would you like a miss chance? If you had Scent and Blindfighting, you could carry around an Eversmoking Bottle, Blinding everybody, including you, but with Scent and Blindfighting, you can still function. The Blinded condition means every target of yours enjoys a 50% Miss Chance, but with Blind Fighting, you get to re roll that.

There are a lot of ways to get Scent. It's a Barbarian Rage Power. If you are a Cryptbreaker Alchemist, you get it in your Mutagen. Alter Self is an Alchemal Extract: you can turn into a Bugbear and gain Scent. You could get Scent as a Catfolk or a Half Orc.

Those are some good ideas. Thank you! I’ll look into it.

Hi everyone.

I wanted to make a build with fast healing, damage reduction and high AC and yet be able to deal damage. I also really wanted to splash into a bunch of classes even if it’s generally better to stick to one class in Pathfinder.

1 Fighter (Unbreakable)
2 Barbarian (Invulnerable Rager and Urban Barbarian)
3 Barbarian
4 Hunter (Verminous Hunter and Patient Ambusher)
5 Monk (Master of Many Styles and Monk of the Iron Mountain)
6 Monk
7 Alchemist (Vivisectionist and Internal Alchemist)

Race: Human

Str 18 +4 (15 +1 level +2 enhancement)
Dex 14 +2
Con 18 +4 (16 + 2 enhancement)
Int 12 +1
Wis 14 +2
Cha 7 -2

Feats:
Human Fast Healer
1 Power Attack
3 Iron Will
5 Bolstered Resilience
7 Stalwart

Bonus Feats:
Toughness (Monk of the Iron Mountain)
Crane Style (Master of Many Styles)
Swift Iron Style (Master of Many Styles)
Endurance (Unbreakable)
Die Hard (Unbreakable)

Traits:
Aldori Caution
Finding Haleen

HP: d10 d8 d12 d12 d8 d8 d8 con 7x4, favored class +2 (barbarian), finding haleen +7, toughness +7 10, 6.5, 6.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.5 = 41 + (44) = 85

Rage Power: Roused Anger
Rage 10 rounds/day

Animal Focus:
Worm - Fast Healing and Fortification
Centipede +2 CMD

Fast Healing 3
DR 1 or 6 (1 Invulnerable Rager +5 fighting defensively, crane style, trait and 3 ranks in acrobatics)
Bolstered Resilience = DR 11 once/round
Fortification 25%

BAB 4
To hit +10 (+11) (-1 size +1 enhancement - 2 crane style - 2 power attack) (+1 vs more than one adjacent opponent)
Str 18 + 4 rage + 4 alchemical + 2 enlarge + 2 enhancement = 30 +10
Greatsword 3d6 + 6 power attack + 15 str + 1 enhancement = 3d6 + 22 =54 average

Fort 19 (2 2 3 3 2 +4 con +2 cloak +1 ioun stone)
Ref 12 (2 3 2 +2 ref +2 cloak +1 ioun stone)
Will 11 (3 +2 wis +2 cloak +2 iron will +1 ioun stone +1 Wayfinder and Ioun Stone)

AC:
Base 10
Full Plate +2 11
Dex 2
Enlarge -1
Fighting Defensively +5 or DR 5
Monk Nat Armor 1 / Alchemist 2
Deflection 1
Dodge IF adjacent to two or more opponents +1
= 25 / 26 / 27 or +5

Shield 4
= 29 / 30 / 31 or +5

Gear: 23500 gp
Full Plate +2 5500 gp
Greatsword +1 2000 gp
Belt of Giant Strength +2 2000 gp
Con Item +2 2000 gp
Ring of Deflection +1 2000 gp
Cloak of Resistance +2 2000 gp

Wayfinder 250 gp +1 will saves
Cracked Pink and Green Sphere (Ioun Stone) 100 gp +1 to UMD
Cracked Magenta Prism (Ioun Stone) 400 gp +2 to UMD
Cracked Pale Green Prism (Ioun Stone) 2000 gp +1 to saves

Use Magic Device Item +5 1250 gp
Item with Shield 5x day 900 gp
Item with Enlarge 5x day 900 gp

Spells:
Lead Blades - Increase weapon damage die to d8
Sun Metal - 1d4 fire damage
True Strike

* For magic gear I’ve assumed there’s a wizard with craft wondrous item (because there is one in the current campaign I’m playing).

He will buff with enlarge person before combat. If necessary he can also cast shield. He’s a little MAD but I think it works out alright. I’d like the will save to be higher and dispel magic will be a problem at some time when the buffs are 1st level. A few more rounds of rage would be nice. Extra rage would be an easy fix. But vital strike would probably be the next feat.

The Alchemist might not be the best choice but it adds 4 alchemical bonus (which I really wanted) and some neat minor tricks, like 1d6 sneak attack, UMD, True Strike and Breath Mastery. Breathing once every 18 hour is pretty cool even if it’s totally useless. Trapfinding is decent if there’s no rogue around.

I’d like to keep adding more classes as long as it’s still adding something worthwhile. Sin Eater Inquisitor and Spelleater Bloodrager would be fun to add. We rarely get to level 10 in the games I play so it doesn’t matter if he falls behind powerwise at level 20.

I’m sure I’ve missed some things and made some mistakes so I’d like to hear some advice, suggestions and comments on this build.