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keftiu wrote:
AnnoUltima wrote:
I am desperately hoping for another AP set in Tian Xia as well.
Do you mean in addition to Season of Ghosts, or have you not heard the good news yet? We're getting two Tian LO books and a 4-book AP set in Shenmen!

I knew about the LO books, but not the 4-book AP! That's wonderful news, I can't wait!


keftiu wrote:

The last 1-20 we got was all focused entirely on a single fantasy nation. Does Blood Lords somehow not count? It feels weird to mourn a format we literally saw in the AP before last as some kind of long-forgotten dream.

Stolen Fate is a high-level adventure romp about a bunch of magic artifacts and bad guys messing with destiny, while Sky King’s Tomb right after it is classic underground fantasy fun. I think the crowd that likes traditional fantasy doesn’t need to worry about starvation any time soon.

This is completely subjective and I recognize this, but Blood Lords did not scratch this 'itch' for me. I've only read it, and while I did enjoy the insight into Geb, there wasn't the feeling of a grand scale or an event that really changed something in the setting, at least for me. Maybe this was because I am, admittedly, also not the biggest fan of that AP, though. But some of the other 1-20s that came from this edition, Extinction Curse, Strength of Thousands, etc, are also like this. It's less about where it's set, whether that's globe-trotting or hyper-focused within one nation. So for me I would say the last time I really saw this format was Age of Ashes, which was years ago, and now with Paizo focusing on 3-book APs, it seems to confirm there won't be a return to it any time soon-- since again, personally the 1-20 track was important in capturing this (again, entirely subjective) 'feeling.'

As far as the upcoming books, I have high hopes for both Stolen Fate and Sky King's Tomb, so I really hope that they are both home runs! I look forward to both of them, and I am desperately hoping for another AP set in Tian Xia as well.


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Steel_Wind wrote:

What I want to see? Less Golarion travelogue and niche APs focused on making this, that, and the other corners of the fanbase happy.

I want to return to Varisia and the new Runelords. After that, back to Lastwall and perhaps Ustalav, please and thank you. The two main BBEGs in this world require some attention.

Yes, I know, how "boring, typical, and samey".

Pssst: the reason why Abomination Vaults was received so well? Because it was familiar red meat, served up medium-rare, just the way people like it.

There are a lot of new GMs and players in PF2 right now -- though most of them are 5e refugees who default to "strong home brew" in terms of what they run. Give them a reason NOT to do that.

Honestly, I'm inclined to agree. I think the niche APs do well for 1-10 or 11-20 adventures, and I understand that Paizo includes them to show the diverse amount of characters and stories that can be told, and I don't think that's bad thing. But personally, as someone that really came into the game with PF2E and retroactively fell in love with Curse of the Crimson Throne, War for the Crown, Kingmaker, and Ironfang Invasion, I'd really like to see some sort of return to a 1-20 AP that really captures the epic feeling of heroic fantasy, while immersing us in some sort of interesting Golarion lore. Give me something that causes real change in the setting, at least. That was what intrigues me most about PF1E APs-- not only is the setting not static, like say the Forgotten Realms, but it also moves forward with the APs as a result of your character's actions.

Unfortunately from what I understand Paizo has left the 1-20 AP model behind, and seems to be focused on smaller, more niche stories, which were both one of the primary draws of the system to me. While I'll keep an eye out for other adventures in the lieu of Abomination Vaults, what I really hope for is an occasional return to the epic, significant events that APs once covered, as well as the more niche travelogue esque stories that Paizo is currently enamored with.


Selkieprincess wrote:
Maskan Rill wrote:
Let me just say, that if it IS a shortage, I am MORE THAN HAPPY to wait with it on back-order. Just let me order it and fill it when you can...
For Truth. I am honestly fine, either way, but with updates…updates and clarification are always good, even if delayed by ye ol’ holidays. :)

Agreed with this completely. I don't mind waiting, I just want to know the status of what is going on.


Hello,

I have the same issues as Maskan. There seems to be no way to redeem the physical beginner's box as detailed by the included instructions.