Blood Conduit Spell Casting


Rules Questions


I am a bit confused on the role of spell casting in a Bloodrager with the blood conduit archetype. The archetype description says:

"Blood conduits learn to channel their arcane might directly through their flesh, without the need for mystical words or gestures."

And at level 5 they get the Spell Conduit Ability:

"At 5th level, as long as a blood conduit is wearing light or no armor, he can deliver bloodrager spells with a range of touch through bodily contact. When he succeeds at a combat maneuver check to bull rush, grapple, pin, reposition, or trip an opponent, or makes an unarmed strike against an enemy, he can as a swift action cast a touch spell on the creature that he affected with the combat maneuver, requiring no further touch attack roll. If this spell would usually require a successful touch attack, his successful combat maneuver check counts as this attack."

This description in the rules says nothing about not having to use somatic or verbal components to the spell. The description of the archetype hints at this however. What are the rules on this? If I make an unarmed attack do I have to use somatic and verbal components? What about concentration checks? Last, if I am playing an arcane bloodline and I am beast shaped can I transfer spells through bodily contact if I don't need those components?


When one casts as a Swift action you forgo the need for Components


Akadorude wrote:
When one casts as a Swift action you forgo the need for Components

So beast shape plus swift spell is possible?


SirCorius wrote:
Akadorude wrote:
When one casts as a Swift action you forgo the need for Components
So beast shape plus swift spell is possible?

Beast Shape is not a touch spell, so it is not usable with Spell Conduit.


I think he meant: is it possible to use swift spells while in beast shape?


Lilith Knight wrote:
I think he meant: is it possible to use swift spells while in beast shape?

In that case, still no, because the other response was wrong. Being a swift action in no way removes the verbal/somatic components. Your form needs to be able of casting the spell.


SirCorius wrote:

I am a bit confused on the role of spell casting in a Bloodrager with the blood conduit archetype. The archetype description says:

"Blood conduits learn to channel their arcane might directly through their flesh, without the need for mystical words or gestures."

And at level 5 they get the Spell Conduit Ability:

"At 5th level, as long as a blood conduit is wearing light or no armor, he can deliver bloodrager spells with a range of touch through bodily contact. When he succeeds at a combat maneuver check to bull rush, grapple, pin, reposition, or trip an opponent, or makes an unarmed strike against an enemy, he can as a swift action cast a touch spell on the creature that he affected with the combat maneuver, requiring no further touch attack roll. If this spell would usually require a successful touch attack, his successful combat maneuver check counts as this attack."

This description in the rules says nothing about not having to use somatic or verbal components to the spell. The description of the archetype hints at this however. What are the rules on this? If I make an unarmed attack do I have to use somatic and verbal components? What about concentration checks? Last, if I am playing an arcane bloodline and I am beast shaped can I transfer spells through bodily contact if I don't need those components?

bloodragers get eshew components just as sorcerers so their is not material component .. hope that helps ..


Swift spells just don't provoke.
"Casting a spell with a casting time of 1 swift action doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity."

Now some like the warpriest also remove the somatic component.
"Spells cast in this way ignore somatic components and do not provoke attacks of opportunity. The warpriest does not need to have a free hand to cast a spell in this way."

So a bloodrager needs to provide somatic and verbal since he doesn't say he bypasses those.

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