What's the point of High-Flying Tumble Stunt?


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So here we have a feat that's essentially Tumble Through, only with lots of caveats and differences.

1. You're using Athletics instead of Acrobatics for the check to see if you can get past the enemy. That's potentially nice if you're a Strength-based daredevil, but it's not THAT nice as you probably have a pretty high Dexterity anyway since you're not trained in medium or heavy armor. And this is more than offset by…

2. It has the Attack and Press traits. So you're getting a –3 penalty on this check at minimum, and that's assuming a generous reading of the Audacious Combatant feature and treating the Leap you're making as having the Agile trait (which is up for debate). So it's probably less likely to succeed than a normal Tumble Through.

3. On a critical success, the enemy is off-guard until the end of your turn. Again, this feat has the Attack and Press traits, meaning that by default you've got one action left to take advantage of it being off-guard, and any attack you make to capitalize on it has at minimum a –6 penalty. And even that's assuming you're using an action with the Press trait for your third action. As a reminder, vanilla Tumble Through doesn't have the Attack trait and therefore doesn't add to your multiple attack penalty.

4. On a critical failure, you fall prone. That's straight-up worse than Tumble Through.

5. You're Leaping instead of Striding. You don't treat the target's space as difficult terrain, but you're naturally moving significantly less far so it's a bit of a wash.

So uh, what's the point of taking this 4th-level feat? You've got Flying Hurdle Stunt at 1st level and Tumbling Tricks at 2nd, both of which seem much better than High-Flying Tumble Stunt. Am I missing something here?

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