We decided to pause our run until the remaster came out and were just starting book 3. Haven't had time to look through it too much but I did notice some new art which is great.
Minor question: in the page for the dream scrapers in the bestiary, the sidebar mentions night hags. I thought for sure they were OGL. Was this a missed edit or is there a new remaster friendly night hag?
That aside, I am excited to finish our campaign and deal with a horrid frozen Eldritch space whale. How are other people feeling about the remaster?
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I got my copy in the mail today and I've been resisting reading through it. The group I'm in is due to fight the final boss on Thursday, and I don't want to get ahead of myself.
I know that this AP was panned for being a long escort quest, but I've had a lot of fun in it. Once we wrap things up this week I'm looking forward to cracking open the original books and the remaster to see the differences and what my GM added to the story.
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I really didn't get the hate the AP got. I feel like people just get weird about things without context; my table loves Sakuachi and Deniigi has been the source of at least two squabbles (two party members really like her and are bickering over who she thinks is cooler).
I love Pathfinder but sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game after hearing from other members of the community lol.
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I really didn't get the hate the AP got. I feel like people just get weird about things without context; my table loves Sakuachi and Deniigi has been the source of at least two squabbles (two party members really like her and are bickering over who she thinks is cooler).
I love Pathfinder but sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game after hearing from other members of the community lol.
A lot of people felt like the AP premise and players guide promise one type of campaign and then the AP itself doesn't deliver that. Missed expectations do a lot to sour people and then that impacts their view of what comes later. If you look at the worst rated APs in the big survey done last year, several of the ones at the bottom share this trait of "they promise a certain kind of campaign and don't deliver it." (Second Darkness is notorious for this as well.)
Lots of players also dislike not being the main character of the story and escort quests. FFXIV is also discovering that as it's formerly stellar player reviews have absolutely tanked in Drawntrail, and a big chunk of that is that much of the story is "the player follows Wuk Lamat around on her adventure."
When you have both of those problems in the same AP, it's going to turn a lot of players off.
I really didn't get the hate the AP got. I feel like people just get weird about things without context; my table loves Sakuachi and Deniigi has been the source of at least two squabbles (two party members really like her and are bickering over who she thinks is cooler).
I love Pathfinder but sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game after hearing from other members of the community lol.
If you liked the kitsune companion in wrath of the righteous crpg, you would probably like Sakuachi. Both very polarizing characters. My group hated Sakuachi.
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I'm a bit confuse.
I just received my hard cover of the remaster and it seems good, but we don't have the pdf too?
Also any news on the foundry vtt module?
I'm really surprised it's not available.
I really didn't get the hate the AP got. I feel like people just get weird about things without context; my table loves Sakuachi and Deniigi has been the source of at least two squabbles (two party members really like her and are bickering over who she thinks is cooler).
I love Pathfinder but sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game after hearing from other members of the community lol.
A lot of people felt like the AP premise and players guide promise one type of campaign and then the AP itself doesn't deliver that. Missed expectations do a lot to sour people and then that impacts their view of what comes later. If you look at the worst rated APs in the big survey done last year, several of the ones at the bottom share this trait of "they promise a certain kind of campaign and don't deliver it." (Second Darkness is notorious for this as well.)
Lots of players also dislike not being the main character of the story and escort quests. FFXIV is also discovering that as it's formerly stellar player reviews have absolutely tanked in Drawntrail, and a big chunk of that is that much of the story is "the player follows Wuk Lamat around on her adventure."
When you have both of those problems in the same AP, it's going to turn a lot of players off.
To be fair, the hate Wuk gets is also due to rampant and highly prevalent transphobia directed at the VA. I don't think DT is the best expansion by a mile but it's mostly due to stagnation of the game's entire systems and direction, not any one character.
I will say though, after reading the guide and then actually running the AP, I really don't feel 'deceived' by the premise.
We're told we are people with missing memories investigating why that is; that's what we have been doing. At no point were we NOT people with missing memories investigating why until we got our memories back a bit and found out the reason is tied to the same thing Sakuachi is doing and then we're people who HAD missing memories who are still investigating why and working to resolve it.
Maybe my table is just different. Don't know; I surely wouldn't put this as worse than like Extinction Curse in terms of 'the flavor is not the story'. THAT one absolutely deserves the 'wait where did the circus plot go' criticism.
CastleDour, I can't see any similarity between Sakuachi and Nenio. Nenio is a nerd, hyper intellectual standoffish weirdo with a mysterious past and a completely socially inept personality. Sakuachi is an energetic woman with a very CLEAR past, strong goals, clear drive and focus, who travels with a group of dear friends who she is very close to. She's warm and compassionate and then sacrifices part of her own self to become the avatar for a demigod.
I REALLY don't see literally any similarities between the two characters. I -do- love Nenio but she is in no way a similar character nor does she fill even a vaguely similar role.
Also, to LordMoussaka, I REALLY hope I don't need to pay for the Foundry Module again lol. That would actually make me mad.
I didn't say they were similar, I said the type of person that likes one would probably like the other. They are characters that receive a lot of hate from those who don't like them. They both feel like self-inserts with main character syndrome.
Extinction Curse was never going to be a high level adventure about running a circus. I enjoyed playing through it and getting away from the cringe circus performances to actually be goddamn heroes of Kortos. I think it is one of those APs that should have been two 3 part APs with clearer marketing for each, since a lot of people wanted it to be about the circus more and the whole way through, while for me it was just a distraction to a very straightforward fantasy adventure.
@Virellius well, I'm pretty sure someone from the Paizo team wrote during the announcement that we will have ONE updated module which apply the THREE books update but that we will need to pay for it on top of the new uptaded book.
Also you didn't answer, do you have the pdf for free when buying the hardcover? It's usually the case but I can't find it in my digital content. And I think it's super shady of Paizo if it's not the case. More than having to pay for the updated Foundry module.
If you subscribe to a product line like the adventure paths, you get the book and you get the pdf early. Its not for one off purchases. I bought Curtain Call PDF and foundry vtt separately, for example. The vtt was discounted because I already bought the PDF. But id have to be subscribed to every adventure path if i wanted early PDF and physical book.
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Right, but I already own the Gatewalkers Foundry module. I would hate to have to buy THAT a second time.
I did get the pdf also; I subscribe so I got it a few days early.
Does the remaster include more Gatewalkers? The biggest change I made when running it was to add more Gatewalkers.
James Jacobs said he updated the arctic trek (which my table loved) for his portion. What else was updated?
Hey folks.... I'm here to ask for some suggestions. I'm curently running Gatewalkers and I've reached a bit of a sticking point.
We're just getting to the meat of Mighty Oaks Do Fall. The PC's have foiled the attempted ritual at the Wilewood gates. They freed the unicorn, killed the gorgas, and have delivered a couple of rebel oaksteward prisoners to an allied oaksteward outpost that I placed on the road to the Wilewood to help direct them and ease their journey a bit.
They then attempted a somewhat ham-handed assault on the Greenleaf Forest house, which went OK... up to a point. They cleared most of the first floor, but allowed several enemies to escape. They then chose to go together up to the second floor via the elevator...and right into the jaws of the cistern water trap. The group's monk heroically battled the mechanism and managed to shut the trap down before anyone was killed, but everyone got chewed up in the process. Having no magical healer in the group, and having exhausted the alchemist's supply of healing potions, they were then told by Bolan Bogasso (shouting from the upstairs window across the way) that they had ten minutes to leave, or all of the remaining rebel forces would assault them at once. The necromancer cast a quick scrying spell, quickly realized that Bolan wasn't bluffing, and advised a retreat.
So now the characters are back at the allied outpost, getting in a full rest and tending to their wounds.
My question is, what would Bolan do, knowing that the high council of sevenarches is hiring mercenary groups to capture or kill him?
Would he laugh it off and keep doing what he's doing? I doubt it. The PC's have killed 13 of his Fae allies and 10 of his rebel loyalists (it's a party of 8 so I've doubled the numbers on many of the encounters). With a significant number of his followers dead, Bogasso would have to realize how much danger he's in and change his plans somehow.
Perhaps he would stay put, gather reinforcements and further fortify the house? Or, would he find another place to reset and enact his ritual in peace? It seems that the ritual requires the use of the Gates, so if he leaves the forest house, he can't go far, and he can't do anything without re-capturing the unicorn or acquiring a new one.
The party has a skilled ranger, so even if Bolan and company decide to skedaddle, there's a chance that they can be tracked. Even so, Bolan has already sent 1 or more of his group's animal companions to track the party and alert the rebels is they approach again.